While you are doing a rear naked choke does it matter whether you crush the wind pipe a little

Question

or if you do that the rear naked choke wont work

Answer 1

Wow...

If you are crushing the windpipe chances are you aren't doing it right. A good rear naked allows a person to still breathe (the beauty of this, is they don't feel they are in as much danger.

Considering the crook of your elbow should essentially be under their chin, it is pretty hard to crush the windpipe with it.

(The choke is a blood choke that works by shutting off carotid arteries going to the brain, not by affecting breathing.)

Now maybe you are thinking of hadaka Jime:

http://www.judoinfo.com/hadaka.jpg

Which looks similar to a rear naked with a Gable Grip. But that is an air choke that affects the trachea and hurts like a SOB.

A proper rear naked choke looks like this:

http://urbancombatsystems.net/MyImages/C...

Notice that there isn't direct pressure on the windpipe, but on the sides of the neck. This is one of the reasons people go out so fast from a RNC, because of the blood flow cut off, and the fact they think they can fight it, or are fine because they can still breathe.

A proper rear naked doesn't affect the wind pipe at all...

Now if you happen to somehow be affecting it, (meaning your didn't get in deep enough, and therefore you are applying some pressure to the trachea. it isn't a big deal. However keep in mind that means you probably aren't shutting off both sides of the carotid and it will result in the choke taking longer to render someone unconscious, you have essentially turned it into an air choke, unless you take some other means (i.e. more pressure with the blade of your forearm to ensure good cut off on both sides), it will take much longer to render the person unconscious.

The more you shut off both sides of the neck, the quicker the person goes out.

Air chokes take significantly more time, because their is still oxygen in the blood stream that is supplying the brain, and it uses up all that in the absense of breathing, before shutting off into unconsciousness when the oxygen gets below a certain level.

Blood chokes work much faster, because they immediately cut the supply of oxygen off to the brain.

Hope that answers your question.

Answer 2

Its not a wind choke so it doesnt matter either way.  The choke is a blood choke cutting off the blood to the brain by clamping off the carotid, so crushing the windpipe wont aid or hinder the choke.

Answer 3

It only matters if you want to kill the guy that you are preforming it on.

Answer 4

Depends on if you want to be charged with homicide. If you crush a wind pipe breathing stops and the patient dies! Ooops.

When you have someone in this hold you are in control and you have to exercise responsibility for the outcome.

Edit: Judomofo has more patience with your question than I did.

Well some one has to.

I have trained in  for many years the following.Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu (Ninjutsu), Tae Kwon Do Chung Do Kwan, Muay Thai, Judo, Brazilian Jujitsu, Hapkido, Aikido, and Maharlika Kuntaw, Mou gou guy pan,  Karve Makaws, Mixed up Martial Arts, Spitznauts and Yuo Yuo.

Answer 5

lol its more squezzing the coroted arteries i dunno how to spell it lol and when you do you start fading and going to sleep

Answer 6

well if you want kids i would be careful not to.

Answer 7

Of course it matters, would you like to have your windpipe crushed a little ?

If you don't, why would anyone else.  

Answer 8

if you are crushing the wind pipe you are not doing the technique properly. people need to stop watching ultimate fighter and thinking they can perform that move it takes years of training which obviously you havent undertaken and idiots who go out and try to do these techniques and stuff up just give the rest of us a bad reputation in the community.

Go to a dojo and learn properly

Answer 9

That's the same as asking if while you are taking a sledgehammer to someones head does it matter whether you crack the skull a little.

Answer 10

Bujinkan Ownage! lol.

as for the Q, if its to hurt them, dont worry if the technique is a little off. precision is for training and competition.

Answer 11

No a rear naked choke will work still, but you have nto done the technique right, unless you intend to do an air choke. beware that air chokes collapse the trachea and are very dangerous, where a blood choke is better. Best bet is to practice enough so you don't do it wrong.

Hey Bunjinkan Ninja, you registered those hands yet?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...

Oh thats right you were wrong about that. So what do you train again?

Answer 12

If you don't want to kill them, yes it matters. If you do want to kill them, who cares if you hurt them a little?

Not yet, Katana.