Who started the war in georgia?

Question

Who started the war in georgia?

Answer 1

I don't think Russia thought anyone would notice.

Answer 2

Simple answer - Russia

But of course there's more to it than that.  I won't go on a tirade like the dude quoting the bigot Pat Buchanan, but I will agree that the U.S. allows Israel to get away with WAY too much.

Russia is having internal problems because they used to be hot stuff as the Soviet Union.  With the break-up of the Soviet Union, Russia is literally a shadow of their former selves.  To make things worse, former Warsaw Pact countries and former Soviet states are now members of NATO putting them right on the border of Russia.  So not only did the Soviet Union collapse, but now their former enemy is right on their doorstep, with even more countries in line for NATO membership (Ukraine and Georgia).  So as a result, many in Russia want a return to the good 'ole days, hence Putin (ex-KGB) becomes President and now Prime Minister (but he's still the one running the country).  

Contrary to what many believe on here, South Ossetia and Abkhazia is recognized by the international community as being part of Georgia (except Russia...imagine that).  The discussion of the amount of military force that Georgia used to cease hostilities is another issue, but the situation was made worse by Russia.  Russia not only annexed South Ossetia, but also installed a puppet government in the region.  By the way, the president of South Ossetia, Eduard Kokoity, who was a memeber of the USSR national wrestling team and the secretary of the Young Communist League.  Other members of government were in the Soviet Army and FSB (Federal Security Service, the Russian version of the Soviet KGB and NKVD), so there's an obvious Russian connection there.  In addition, Russia issued Russian passports to people in South Ossetia, much like what the n***s did in the Sudetenland that gave them the excuse they needed to invade Czechoslovakia.  In Abkhazian, the situation is similiar with the pro-Russian president Sergei Bagapsh.  

It's pretty d**n obvious to anyone with common sense to figure out that because of the large number of Russian tanks, APCs, other vehicles, aircraft, and personnel, that Russian had been planning the invasion of Georgia for several months.  They used the Georgian offensive in South Ossetia, something they obviously knew was coming, as an excuse to invade.

So why did Russia invade?  Because this December NATO is going to meet and decide who will be the new NATO members, and it's agreed by many that both Georgia and the Ukraine, Russia's next target, will be NATO members.  Yes, I did say that the Ukraine will be Russia's next target.  Why?  The same reason they invaded Georgia...to scare them.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/17/e...

"In Ukraine, fear of being a resurgent Russia's next target"

I'm genuinely confused why there's so many people on here that feel that Georgia is the one at fault and that Russia had the right to invade while the rest of society, at least in the U.S., correctly feel that Russia is the aggressor.

Answer 3

Russia has been provoking the Georgians for some time now.

Answer 4

The people of S.O. started it. We helped them along a lil bit.

So in a way, the USA is at fault also.

But Russia did what the US would do in the same situation. As did Georgia. Nobody is wrong. We all are wrong.

Answer 5

I thought Georgia did in the battle of Tskhinvali when they bombard the city and crossed the border into South Ossetia.

Answer 6

As far as I see it, Georgia started the war. Russia responded a little too brutally, but Russia is still in the right. Thumbs me down all you want, but you know Georgia started it. It's pretty much over, and we can not afford to get involved in another large scale war, so we must NOT attack Russia. Leave them to their business.

Answer 7

Russia.

Russia had massed troops and military equipment on the broder of Georgia for months and chose the start of the Olympic Games for the invasion.

Russia apparently thought that the world would be so occupied by the Olympic Games that the rest of the world would not notice the invasion by Russia.

Russia led by an old KGB Thug named Voladimir Putin is determined to recreate the old Soviet empire.

Also Georgia has an oil pipeline that competes with the near monopoly that Russia has on oil deliveries to European Nations.

Russia does not like competition. the invasion of Georgia was also an effective means to shut down the competing oil pipeline.

The invasion of Georgia by Russia is very similar to the invasion of the Sudetenland by Adolf Hitler.

Adolf Hitler used the pretext of protecting German Citizens living in the Sudetenland as a pretext for the invasion.

In fact Adolf Hitler had been giving German Citizenship to anyone living in the Sudetenland for the Asking.

that way Hitler could say that he had a large number of German citizens in the Sudetenland that needed to be protected.

Vladimir Putin had ordered that any person living in South Ossetia and any other part of Georgia for that matter be granted Russian Citizenship for the asking.

By that method Vladimir Putin made certain that there wer now a large number of Russian "Citizens" living in Georgia that neede Russian protection.

That was essentially the pretext that Putin used ofr the invasion of Georgia.

It is clear that Putin had planned the invasion of Georgia for months.

Those who believe that the Russian invasion of Georgia was the reaction to some action by Georgia are naieve at best, and are KGB propagandists at worst.

Answer 8

Georgia started using heavy weapon against South Ossetian on 8 August.

Georgia was filmed firing rockets into South Ossetia on 8 August

Any Ossetian will confirm it, did you saw that Fox News interview with 12 year old Ossetian girl?  

Answer 9

usa  started the war please get your facts from the internet western news continue to lie i'm an american soldier and love the usa  

Answer 10

Those "separatists" probably had Russian encouragement before

the event as well as backing after it.

Answer 11

Is Not Western Hypocrisy Astonishing?

by Patrick J. Buchanan

by Patrick J. Buchanan

        

DIGG THIS

Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.

Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the Six-Day War. Saakashvili's blunder probably means permanent loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

After shelling and attacking what he claims is his own country, killing scores of his own Ossetian citizens and sending tens of thousands fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours.

Vladimir Putin took the opportunity to kick the Georgian army out of Abkhazia, as well, to bomb Tbilisi and to seize Gori, birthplace of Stalin.

Reveling in his status as an intimate of George Bush, d**k Cheney and John McCain, and America's lone democratic ally in the Caucasus, Saakashvili thought he could get away with a lightning coup and present the world with a fait accompli.

Mikheil did not reckon on the rage or resolve of the Bear.

American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight – Russia finished it. People who start wars don't get to decide how and when they end.

Russia's response was "disproportionate" and "brutal," wailed Bush.

True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more "disproportionate"?

Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we celebrated. When Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosovo broke from Serbia, we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two provinces, whose peoples are ethnically separate from Georgians and who fought for their independence, should succeed in breaking away?

Are secessions and the dissolution of nations laudable only when they advance the agenda of the neocons, many of whom viscerally detest Russia?

That Putin took the occasion of Saakashvili's provocative and stupid stunt to administer an extra dose of punishment is undeniable. But is not Russian anger understandable? For years the West has rubbed Russia's nose in her Cold War defeat and treated her like Weimar Germany.

When Moscow pulled the Red Army out of Europe, closed its bases in Cuba, dissolved the evil empire, let the Soviet Union break up into 15 states, and sought friendship and alliance with the United States, what did we do?

American carpetbaggers colluded with Muscovite Scalawags to loot the Russian nation. Breaking a pledge to Mikhail Gorbachev, we moved our military alliance into Eastern Europe, then onto Russia's doorstep. Six Warsaw Pact nations and three former republics of the Soviet Union are now NATO members.

Bush, Cheney and McCain have pushed to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. This would require the United States to go to war with Russia over Stalin's birthplace and who has sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula and Sebastopol, traditional home of Russia's Black Sea fleet.

When did these become U.S. vital interests, justifying war with Russia?

The United States unilaterally abrogated the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty because our technology was superior, then planned to site anti-missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic to defend against Iranian missiles, though Iran has no ICBMs and no atomic bombs. A Russian counter-offer to have us together put an anti-missile system in Azerbaijan was rejected out of hand.

We built a Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey to cut Russia out. Then we helped dump over regimes friendly to Moscow with democratic "revolutions" in Ukraine and Georgia, and tried to repeat it in Belarus.

Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity to see ourselves as others see us is not high among them.

Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan, where Europe had opted out of the Cold War after Moscow installed those SS-20 missiles east of the Elbe. And Europe had abandoned NATO, told us to go home and become subservient to Moscow.

How would we have reacted if Moscow had brought Western Europe into the Warsaw Pact, established bases in Mexico and Panama, put missile defense radars and rockets in Cuba, and joined with China to build pipelines to transfer Mexican and Venezuelan oil to Pacific ports for shipment to Asia? And cut us out? If there were Russian and Chinese advisers training Latin American armies, the way we are in the former Soviet republics, how would we react? Would we look with bemusement on such Russian behavior?

For a decade, some of us have warned about the folly of getting into Russia's space and getting into Russia's face. The chickens of democratic imperialism have now come home to roost – in Tbilisi.

August 16, 2008

Patrick J. Buchanan

Answer 12

  I started it! You wana make something of it? Seriously; read buchanans answer above.

Answer 13

Go to the link below. It's an excellent collection of questions and answers about this situation and explains how things got started with the Georgian armed forces moving into South Ossetia.  

Answer 14

It's easy, you look at who started shooting first, who has bombed the others cities, and who has tanks and troops occupying the other country.  None of those are Georgia.