Why are some poker player so bad!!!?

Question

I was playing in a Titan poker tournament. I had about 16,000 chips the blinds were 300, 600. I got dealt KQ so i raised to 1,600, one caller. Flop comes Ah 5h 8d. i then bet another 2,000 he calls. Turb card is 10s, i go all in for about 13,500, he has 17,000 chips and calls. He shows 2h 3h and hits his flush on the river! do u think he should be going almost all in to hit a flush on the river????

Answer 1

On a freeroll, people don't care about odds.  They think, it's just play money so why shouldn't they chase?

In real money games, people just don't understand pot odds, that if they hit a baby flush or straight someone else might have a better one, etc.

Answer 2

The real question is why bet all your chips on a drawing hand.  It no like you had a made hand.

Answer 3

why were you betting??????

you had nothin!!!!!!!

mybe you are the bad player.

Answer 4

His pot odds made it a good call on the flop.  He had 12 outs with two chances to hit, giving him almost a 60 percent chance of hitting either the straight or flush.  You made him pay 2,000 to win at least 5,200, making him at least 2 1/2 to 1 on his money.  

You're right though, he should not have called the all in on the turn.  He is now only about 30 percent to hit, and you are giving him just 3 to 2 on his money.  Unless he had a good read on you and knew you didn't even have a pair, making him just a 3 to 2 dog and making it actually a correct call.  Plus, remember its a tournament, so people will throw pot odds out the window a lot for the chance to knock someone out.

Edit: Tank 64-I worded it wrong.  I didn't mean to say he had a 60 percent chance of hitting the straight or flush.  His opponent actually was 60 percent to hit on the flop, counting the two's or threes(which the opponent wouldn't know unless he had a good read on him).  But he was still getting just the right price to call on the flop, since he would have still been 47 percent to win even if he actually had an ace.

Answer 5

if i was to say to you red 98 fly bow wow, yellow submirine

would you know what i was talking about?

Good

Answer 6

it wasnt really that bad. True his odds didnt justify making the call with just one card to come, but dont forget he had flush draw, and also inside straight draw (if 4 hit), and although he didnt know it, both his cards were live so any 2 or 3 also wins it for him. so he had 19 outs with one card to come. out of 46 remaining cards 19/46 is almost 50% chance, and throw in he was getting more than that in pot odds, it wasnt that bad of a move.

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Answer 7

i think you played it right,,  up until the point where you went all in....at the point of you doing that you didnt know what he had. he couldve had the ace, he did call a 1600 raise pre flop remember! you should have put in a big bet to try and throw him off it, say 3000-4000 and if he called you know he wouldve had something which in turn leads you to think maybe you should check and fold if he raises any. but yeh he is a **** poker player calling 1600 with 2 3 lol!

Answer 8

People lack dicipline and like to gamble " take chances" it's human nature, exciting and fun. In order for us to be diciplined we must go against human nature to portray this quality. So in other words it's much more natural to lack dicipline then it is to portray it. Which is why donkey #1 couldn't fold his flush draw even though mathmatically it was not in his favor. It was a call you wanted in the long run but considering it was a tournament winning a pot uncontested is always better. The funny thing about tournaments vs cash games is in a cash game you want that call, you need those calls and you are eager for them because when that caller wins his 1 in 5 shot it's ok you can rebuy, you'll take your 4 in 5 knowing you will lose 1 in 5. But in a tournament it just isn't the same, you see in a tournament if your presented with 5 situations where you're a 4 to 5 favorite during a all in. The odds are you will lose 1 in 5, so when you do it's just that call getting it odds, math never lies that call has to win 20% of the time in the long run and you 80%. But in a tournament when that call hits their 1 in 5 you're out of the tournament which is why a uncontested pot is always much better in a tournament and in a cash game you always want to be contested in those scenarios. So when in a tournament if you're 80% 5 times you're suppose to lose one, so when you do it shouldn't be alarming it's just math holding true which it always will math is the most honest, reliable certain thing on earth. It will never ever change. So the key is to try to play smaller pots and risk all your chips the least amount of times as possible even if you're a huge favorite.

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Answer 9

the odds were there... although it did seem a little risky to me...

although you had nothing and kept betting also hoping for the lucky card.

Answer 10

You got suckered! The flush and possibly a straight flush was revealed on the flop.

That is why it is called gambling, if you can't lose then don't play!

Answer 11

You went all-in on a pure bluff and you're calling someone else a bad player for calling you down.  Dial 1-900 waaaaaaaaaaah.

Answer 12

Don't risk your whole stack on a bluff.  At the very least, you should have put him on an Ace or a pocket pair...he called you preflop.  It was a risky play on his part, but you could have prevented the whole thing by making a smaller bluff.  If he hadn't hit the board, he could just lay down his hand when you bet.  There was an Ace on board, he called you pre-flop, and you had squa-doosh.  Yes, I think his play was so-so....but yours was fishy.  After the flop, he had a minimum of 9 outs to get his heart....little did he know he even had 6 more to pair either one of his hole cards.  He probably put you on an Ace but he still had 36% chance of hitting the flush with the turn and river to come.

Answer 13

You left out a 1 important factor.  What's your table image?

Judging from the fact that you kept hammering away at a bluff, eventually going all-in, when there were plenty of indications you were dominated, I'm guessing you're generally a Loose/Aggressive.  Given that, he had plenty of reason to think you were bluffing.

Not that it matters much in the long run.

His preflop call of your raise was very weak, unless he planned on trying to steal the pot away later.

His post-flop call of your 2000 was so-so.  He's gotta know he's only about 45% to hit (not 60%) and really oughta figure he's more like 35% (it's really only the fours that he wants; a heart gives him the worst possible flush, which means he could be screwed out of all his chips, especially if the board 4-flushes.)  The best move here was to reraise you all-in.  Folding and calling the 2000 are roughly tied for a distant second.  (The reason he called was probably because he wanted a chance to make the straight flush.)

Calling your all-in post turn was completely moronic, and unless there was some sort of 'Straight Flush' jackpot going, there's no excuse for it.  The hands you're likely to have range from a set down to 2nd pr or a flush draw.

Here's how I might've calc'ed the odds of winning:

- 9% to hit a straight or straight flush, which will win

- 18% to hit a flush, which will win 70% of the time (I'm putting you on 30% chance for a flush draw)

- about 13% to hit a 2 or 3, which I'd call a winner 15% of the time (the 30% I put you on a flush draw minus the 15% I assume your draw includes an 8h or 10h.)

That's a little under 24% altogether, and he's risking most of his tournament life and only getting 1.5 to 1 pot odds.  Even if he figures you for a complete nutbag at the table (which you obviously are, given that you bluffed away a solid stack with only a KQ when you had plenty of time to pick a better spot) the odds just don't get good enough to make this call.

Answer 14

******UNDERSTAND THIS IF YOU WANT TO PLAY A LOT OF POKER****************

dont play only tournaments,

Play more cash games. in a cash game you want someone to call it you have kq and they have 23

One bad beat doenst ruin you night in a cash game cuz you can keep playing and if they keep playing  with 23 you will take all of there money by the end of the night

If you only play tournament you will find more donkeys then in a cash game,

Whining doenst prove you are a better play taking there money proves you are better

LEARN AND UNDERSTAND THE TERM POT ODDS

ALSO IF YOU KNOW A GAME WHERE PEOPEL PLAY 2 3 TELL ME WHERE IT IS

Answer 15

And you think HE played badly?

You are just as bad as he is

Answer 16

Poker players are only bad when they beat you, thus a bad beat.