Why are there people on Y!A that insist that "real fighters" will beat UFC fighters in a real fight?

Question

I understand that MMA is a sport and that it is performed in a controlled environment. However, don't you think that an athlete who trains, works out, sleeps, eat, breathe "fighting" will have a huge advantage over some street/bar brawler?

*I understand that in a fight, anything goes. But regardless, a person who eats, sleeps, and breathe "fighting" will still have an advantage over many things that may happen in a fight (i.e. - weapons, cheap shots, etc.). And for the people who think that a UFC fighter will lose due to multiple opponents: UFC fighters usually travel with their camp/fighting partners. So, if people start jumping into a real fight, the UFC/MMA fighter will have back up.

Answer 1

every one else has long complicated answers.

simple answer. ignorance is bliss

Answer 2

I see your point, and honestly, it could go either way.  I think the keyword is "will," and that makes no sense whatsoever.  "Will beat UFC fighters" is WAY too direct and controlling.  That's not the way life goes.  Say, the Shao Lin monks in New York, who were the remains of the monks that survived the Shao Lin burning in China long ago, also live in an environment focused on their training from ages as young as 3.  There are also hundreds of secrets that they know that a UFC fighter wouldn't.  So really, anyone trained in fighting would have a good chance against anyone else trained to that level in fighting.

As for "street brawlers," I'm sure some of them COULD beat a UFC fighter, but to say that they WILL is...frankly...stupid.    Like you said, these people live, eat, breathe fighting.  However, I'm sure in many cases, these people could, not WILL lose a fight with a street brawler.  A known fact is that Bruce Lee, one of the greatest fighters and philosophers on earth, started out as some street kid getting beat up all the time.  Honestly, it's a matter of opinion, to answer your question.  Some people honestly DO think that, so they claim to know that as a fact and claim that these street fighters could and would beat any UFC fighter in a match, which is absolutely not a fact.  UFC is a controlled sport, but honestly, don't you think that there's a non-sport side to it?  I highly doubt that they would only learn what they needed and what's "legal" in the matches.  

Answer 3

Definately, an MMA fighter can win a fight. But to everyone else, there is always someone better out there (yup that goes for Fedor Emelianenko). Circumstances always plays a role and for an MMA fighter, physique and experience sky rockets the chances of a win in a street fight. But there are other factors out there too, like weapons cheap shots, like you mentioned, There are Mental Circumstances, a person might be more resiliant (out of experience, its definately more mental than physical), pissed off, drugged or drunk, or plain crazy. A fighter who is smart and plays it calm will do a h**l of a lot better than one who is tense and nervous. There have been fighters who one their opponents and reduced their fighting focus by just using fear as a mental weapon.

In the end, I get your point, an MMA fighter who fights dirty is someone to be taken lightly

Answer 4

People like to talk.  Don't let it bother you.  Reactions like this are what fuels them.  Just let them talk about it all day, while you train, and live the truth.

Answer 5

Realisticly, unless someone starts poking out eyes and punching unmentionables the mma fighter will win every time.

Answer 6

any well trained martial artist should be able to defend themselves well against your average joe.

many traditional martial artists eat, sleep, breath, and sh*t (enter name of your style here) too...not just mma. look to japan, shootfighters, and sumo wrestlers literally LIVE at the dojo full time!

give me a knife and ill defeat any mma guy you put in front of me and thats just the way i see it.

noone ALWAYS has backup. besides the whole multiple attacker thing is more like....if you're in a bar and some guy's starting sh*t with you...you pull him to your guard and his buddies kick the sh*t out of you while you're "fighting" ....multiple attackers arent always a group of guys fighting another group of guys. its a group of gangbangers who corner some innocent bystander and start kicking the c**p out of em....even fedor couldn't win this fight alone. now you take into consideration things like...when im in your guard and i pull a knife...you're dead...period.

the point is...mma simply ignores these possibilities and a great many others!!! they are fighting for real yes....they are not "defending themselves" from a thug or rapist.

you take away weight divisions and see what happens. now see how it applies to the street. this isnt two 225 pounders fighting each other. its a 225 pounder sneaking up behind your girlfriend in a dark alley and putting a knife to her throat while his buddy takes her pants off. you see where this is going? it's the scenarios that matter.

we train for two different things. mma people learn sport/cage fighting and hope that the attributes they gain will carry over to street defense. thats the way it is. mma is not streetfighting. it is not self defense.

traditional martial artists or self defense artists study just that...traditional martial arts...or self defense. the problem lies in a serious lack of any real testing. if there is one thing mma can teach people it's that tip tap point sparring, one steps, three steps, and kata are not enough. they are just theory. it's like swimming...i can tell you how to swim, and you now know how to swim...but you still dont know for sure if you can really do it...so you have to get in the water and do it!

and i doubt chuck liddell carries around a glock 9mm. but i know plenty of other people who do.

again i say...traditional, military, modern, mma...whatever...a well trained martial artist should be able to survive. whats more...everyone should break out of their d**n doctrines, lose their huge ego's and learn from each other. but most won't admit that there is a possibility they can learn from anyone from the "other side"

they think its one or the other. traditional, or mma. and a mma fighter cant possibly learn anything from a traditional fighter...etc etc.

Answer 7

Actually I would disagree with you on a few things but not for the reasons you think.  While some MMA fighters are really trained, finely tuned athletes not all are or in that class; there are plenty that are not that you will never see on television.  Secondly I personally know several fighters and the last thing they want is trouble or another fight and so they and their training partners are usually pretty good about things.  By that I mean if you disrespect them and ask for it they will certainly jump on you but otherwise they could care less about fighting; they get enough of that otherwise.

With respect to winning or beating one of them a lot has to do with a persons training and how well they train also. So there is some validity to what you are saying I think but I have seen very few fighters that could stand up to a kick to the groin,  the side of the knee, or side of the ankle or a finger strike to the eye without some loss of focus, concentration, balance and coordination, or vision.  That brief period, however long, is the opportunity that a good fighter must seize and capitalize on if they are to overcome someone else I think.   Can they hit that spot or target-maybe; will it be effective enough for them to follow up and captialize on; again-maybe.  While the real fighter may have some advantage he like the other person also has some weaknesses perhaps in his armor and with regards to what he uses and how good he can use it as far as skill and training goes.  I think some real die-hards will disagree with you on any of this while some others like myself can see both sides.      

Answer 8

Actually, an MMA fighter will not have an advantage over weapons or multiple opponents. Their entire system of training depends on one opponent on equal footing.

For example, a knife is a huge equalizer in a fight. Do you really think an unarmed skilled fighter is going to take out an armed fighter who is skilled with a knife? Sorry but no. An MMA fighter has ZERO training against non-sport specific circumstances.

Its like chess. Suppose you have a champion chess player with years of training and experience. Now suppose you're playing chess with them. How well do you think they would do if you swapped all the pieces for checkers and changed the rules to Checkers? Not very well. It would neutralize all their training.

Answer 9

there are clear things that would win a fight very quickly which are illegal and not taught in your average MMA class.

the moves are illegal in the cage for a reason = very deadly

for example: strategies and applications for: breaking arms and knees with strikes, eye pokes, hitting to the groin or throat or back of the head, muscle grabbing/striking, and this list goes on.

one thing MMA could add to their game that IS legal is proper blocking and redirecting punches.. most fighters just put their hands up and get hit anyway.

there are many great ways to block and deflect/redirect attacks, even in a MMA setting.

Answer 10

Traditional martial artists are just as tired of that bull as you are.Dweebs who have never been in a real fight living in "real fight" dream world fantasys  of what they would do if they unleashed their super deadly "real fight" techniques.

Bar fights are easy and I would not class those that engage in them as any kind of fighter as any hard training and properly trained TMA with 2 years experience should be able to handle them.

It is unlikely any TMA will ever have to fight an MMA in a bar fight as neither go around looking to engage in that juvenile c**p.It's the wannabe's in both camps that do that bull and usually get their *** kicked by some construction worker they po'd with their antics.

Training and time spent training to have a cumulative effect on reflexes and muscle memory is determined by repitition.If you train once or twice a week don't expect any kind of "real world" effectiveness for 5 to 10 years no matter how well you perform in the dojo.4 days a week or more 1 to 2 years and on top of that you have to engage in proper training .Training to do endless hi round kicks and spinning kicks is mcdojo land and any "we only do this" training is short sighted .

Answer 11

It doesn't seem like the "multiple opponents" factor is very fair, as a "real fighter" would have a hard time with more than one guy too

True, there are a number of techniques which you can see in mma fights which would get a guy creamed in a real fight, and the only reason the mma guy can get away with it is the rules (groin shots, no kicking a downed fighter, etc.)

I would also agree that grappling, in general, is probably not a great approach to take in a street fight

The ablity of a UFC fighter to succeed in a street fight, I believe would be in his ability to use his striking skills to knock the other guy out, and use his grappling skills to stay on his feet and mobile

I would think that with the amount of training the average UFC fighter goes through, his basic striking and wrestling skills would be more than a match for some knucklehead in a bar (and if someone's going around getting into bar fights, he is indeed a knucklehead)

as far as why people keep saying it, well, I think they may want to make the point that there is a difference between sport fighting and "real" fighting, and they're right; I just think that the level of performance required to be competitive at the UFC level would give the person enough basic fighting skill to handle themselves in a "real" fight, despite the differences

It's quite possible that anyone who believes a UFC fighter couldn't handle a street fighter has probably spent more time in the bars talking than on the mat training