Why aren't people who say women bring rape on themselves, by dressing "provocatively" logical enough to see? ?

Question

that provocatively is subjective? Like eye of the beholder.

Answer 1

no. I bet all men would agree on whats really provocative

women do not use logic but emotions while thinking and hence see theory, not fact

Answer 2

I was kidnapped at gunpoint at age 15 while walking to school.  The serial rapist was finally caught and when the District Attorney was talking to me, one of the first questions was...."what were you wearing?".  I thought that was a stupid question and I still do.  What do you think? I was wearing jeans, shirt, and a jacket.

Answer 3

when something bad happens to women(like rape) it's always their fault.

Answer 4

I just think a woman should be able to dress the way she wants and not have some freak touch her without consent...now that's logic!

Answer 5

Sure it is subjective. In some cultures seeing a woman with her hair down is provacative.

Not to mention the ego it takes for a man to assume that all women who they see to be "advertising for s*x" are "advertising" for them.

Answer 6

I believe everyone has their own standards. And when people such as the rapist speak they use such small, unreasonable or logical assumptions and excuses for raping like she dressed provocative, she was always flirting with me, she seduced me, etc. etc.

People need a person to point the finger at and blame for something so terrible to happen.

And when people hear these idiotic excuses it gets the better of them and they think, why would someone do this to this person?

They can't comprehend that someone would do a crime without logical reason or because of something the victim brought on themselves.

They use "they had no business being there" or "look how they dress"  "look what time it was" as dumb statements to place the victim as the guilty party telling them they could have possibly prevented it and it is therefore their fault. Yes, victims of rape in some cases could have prevented or avoided it but people make bad choices and mistakes but that doesn't mean they deserved to be taken advantage of and vitiated because of that. Saying someone was bad and deserved what they got is disgusting and doesn't excuse the crime the rapist did.  

I know of women who were raped, and I personally was in a situation where i was almost raped-twice.

The first time, I admit i could have prevented by not being under the influence of drugs in a car with a drunken man but i trusted my friend to take care of me because she was sober and capable of doing so. In the end, she didn't. She watched him touch me and sickly enjoyed it.

The other time i asked a friend from school for a ride, He gave me rides before all the time and never showed interest in me at all.

He pulled over one day on a late afternoon and started grabbing my chest and putting his head on my chest. I kept saying 'cut it out' and 'stop it' he didn't listen so i went in my bra and took my knife out that i kept ever since the first incident. I demanded to be taken home and not touched or I would castrate him in no time flat.

I could have been smarter and made better judgement calls but, i didn't deserve being put in that situation or having done what was done to me.

Thank You,

Answer 7

rape is a tough subject=/

edit

oh and rape isn't about the s*x

its about the power being able

to literally control someone else's

life even after your long gone

Answer 8

Rape Myth #268.

Answer 9

for starters I think the only scenario where a women could "bring rape upon herself" would be if she is at a party, starts dancing and drinking with a guy till he is totally smashed, then she lures him to secluded area and she starts in on him then stops all of a sudden right before penetration(with the guy being so blitzed his self control is gone).

That is a highly unlikely scenario and in fact most of the people who speak of blame the victim are feminist themselves when pushing for law's to protect women who routinely lie about being raped(I suppose with the exception of street prostitutes).

    People in this country take rape seriously. It is just the fact that 40% or so of all rape allegations are thrown out either by the investigating police,prosecutors,judges or jury's that causes alot of dudes to think what the heck?

Look at the duke scandal for a perfect example of false rape allegations.

    But a person who stays with someone(I suppose if there are kid's involved it does get trickier mentally) who is abusive yet all the money spent on government programs tailored towards women's needs while ignoring male victims of domestic violence yet feminists still find reasons to allow women to murder men and spend maybe a month or so in jail is what is upsetting.

Last time I checked a man who is accused of killing his wife(with circumstantional evidence no hard proof)= lethal injection.

While if a women is caught red handed(literally with blood on her hands)= hero throw big parade.

I am sorry I just don't see this "discrimination" you speak of. maybe if you look deeper you might find something but when you dig deep don't try and hide the real "bones" of opression.

    

    

    

Answer 10

They are just stupid people with  blame the victim mentalities who don't even know that rape isn't about s*x or how you dress.  

Answer 11

Very good point. However, as a society we can pull out "norms" that are driven into our subconscious at a young age and tend to stick in our brains.

For example, 95% of women think they are fat (when they truly aren't). However, society has driven such a profile into our brains that 98% of women will never achieve. Size 0 or smaller is just too small!  

Answer 12

I agree with you. I guess such people are just desperate and narrow minded. It's just an excuse they use to blame women. And such rapists would rape women who are all covered up too!

Answer 13

No it is not. If that would be the case a random number of people would find the gioconda or David beautifull, however there is a staggering percentage of people finding some things beautifull and ugly. There are exceptions though, just like some people see a 9 year old girl and think wow hot instead of aww cute.

Answer 14

What am i supposed to say to that?

How many men actually think that?

Like really, i can't imagine that even .5% of the male populace thinks this way, not even .05%.

This type of thinking is as uncommon as rape itself.

Which is a good thing.

Answer 15

Because they're blinded by their need for the victim to be at fault.  If they recognised the woman's innocence, these people would have to deal with the unpleasant realities of rape: that it happens to an incredibly high proportion of women, that it is perpetrated by an incredibly high proportion of men, and that justice is rarely served.

I find it astonishing that men don't complain more about this stereotype of them: that they can't control themselves in the presence of female skin, that they respond like animals to 'provocatively' dressed women, that their sexuality is dangerous and horrific.  

After one of my friends was raped, someone said to her, "Even if you had danced naked in front of him, he wouldn't have the right to rape you."   Well, it's true.  It's never OK to have s*x with someone who doesn't consent, under any circumstances.

Answer 16

Because they are FN idiots pleaz excuse my lango but any one who thanks this is a total *** wipe.

Answer 17

Because here in the States, people often blame the victim. What did YOU do wrong to cause this person to want to rape you....etc. No one ever asks "What the h**l is wrong with the RAPIST"..............

Same thing for women who don't leave abusive spouses. What do people say? "Ohh its HER fault for staying then!"....without ever considering the social/psychological aspects surrounding this woman's mental state...or the fact that women have the highest risk of being killed when they DO in fact try to leave. I see it time and time again...............

Couple all of that with the fact that s*x is hugely blown out of proportion in this country, and women are objectified in every sense of the word, and you have a recipe for disaster and women will always lose in this sense.

I'm not a crazy feminist in any way shape or form either. Its just the way it is. Look at what some of these male posters have said....dressing a certain way creates "mixed signals"??? For who? So if I wear a short skirt and I'm just walking down the street its ok to be raped or assaulted because by golly...I sent a "mixed" signal.

Here's a fun fact: Did you know that jury trials made up of women are LESS likely to convict a rapist? You know why? Because women are MORE likely to blame other female victims. And the demographic that is MOST likely to be harsh on a rapist?? - *Fathers*.

Answer 18

Men rape women regardless of the clothes they where.  However, when women do dress cheap they are giving men mixed signals.

Answer 19

That's got nothing to do with it. I can see how dressing provocatively may cause certain comments or behavior to occur, but rape is due to a lack of respect, morals, and control on the part of the rapist.

Answer 20

Because the people that say that are ignorant and were raised ignorant. No one brings things like that on to them, the people who do it bring it on.  i also think that people that say things like that just have nothing smarter to say.  

Answer 21

woman dress how they want to dress and men should respect that...its not the womans fault when they get raped most of the time unless they wear that stupid c**p like those really mini skirts and then the guys can see under and the really low tops where they are hanging out. Then i can see why they get raped mostly they are asking for it. but there isnt many of those so thats probaly why people arnt say that  

Answer 22

I agree. And I often remember news stories of young guys breaking into homes and raping 80 year old women who are asleep in their beds. I think many men think of the young women who are raped and find it easy to blame the victims for their situation. But these people forget about the rape victims that don't dress provocatively, such as the grandmothers and the small children. Rape is not caused by women dressing provocatively, it is about power and control. Want proof? If a woman walked around naked in public but was protected by bodyguards then she would never be raped. This is because men could control their impulses due to the danger involved with the rape. rape happens because the "reward" is less than the danger involved. Thus it is about power and has nothing to do with the way a person is dressed.

Answer 23

In my opinion, provocatively depends on the personality. Some men would be turned on by a woman wearing glasses and a work attire, and some would be turned on by a woman wearing a short top and a mini skirt, and one can only have one personality therefore one person would see wrong what another person would see as totally average. So to answer the question "it varies, there really cant be solid answer, depends on the person, intellect, and personality"

Answer 24

Thats like saying the chef that cooked your dinner is responsible for your obesity, its passing the blame onto someone else.

Answer 25

well actually guys will rape nomatter what a lady rapes. That is the sad reality of life. In muslim countries, ladies are told to wear conservative clothing as this way the primitive behaviour of the male does not come up and make the guy rape. However in western countries, clothing is not the only reason for rape. In fact ladies have the same right to wear light clothing as males due to heat etc. However, the real factor is drugs and alcohol as this fuels ideas of rape and reaklessness.  

Answer 26

I am quite certain that I will get some serious flak for this but I'm going to give my honest answer anyway.

Dressing provocatively may indeed be subjective but I'm pretty sure most people would agree that wearing a skirt that looks more like a belt is provocative. I honestly think sometimes that women are very naive about men. Men are completely driven when it comes to s*x and the male s*x drive is far in excess of the female drive. It is not so much bringing it on themselves but is more a matter of poor judgment. Some men will make the choice to take what they want. This is unfortunate, it may be completely reprehensible but that doesn't alter reality one whit. Women should be aware of the effect they have on men, particularly if they dress in very revealing clothes.

Let me clear on this.

No matter what a woman chooses to wear, she does not deserve to be raped. She was not asking for it or any of that other bull-c**p. Rape is always wrong. No matter the woman, what she was wearing, the circumstances or anything else. That does not mean that dressing provocatively doesn't increases the chances of assault. Is it illogical to suggest that clothing designed to be s**y might increase the sexual urge of the beholder?

Your appeal to logic is a little off. Logic does not preclude consensus.

Beauty for example is in the eye of the beholder but most people would agree that eva longoria is beautiful. Brad pitt, I would imagine, is rarely considered ugly. Subjective issues are not immune to general agreement.

Edit: Rape may not always be about s*x but anyone who thinks it is never about s*x has taken too many BS psychology courses. Rape can most certainly be about s*x.

Answer 27

Because they're dumb enough to make an argument based on a woman dressing "provocatively" in the first place. Showing off a lot of cleavage is a free license to stare, not to rape. I can't see why anyone would believe that being a c**k tease is somehow automatic consent.

Answer 28

Women who haven't been raped have a strong psychological need to blame the victim.  It makes them feel safer.  If it was not the victim's fault, then something that horrible could happen to them, and there is nothing they can do to prevent it.  Unfortunately, the later is the truth - the uncomfortable truth, and many women try to deny it.

Answer 29

Rape is a horrible violent act.  The victims are not responsible for sickos.  

Answer 30

One should be pragmatic, if one pulls out a wad of 100 dollar  bills  in a seedy neighborhood and gets robbed they are not using the best judgement.  That does not mean they should be robbed, but they are increasing their odds.  If a stripper makes a guy feel like he is special she might get a better tip.  I believe the fallicy here is that if a woman dresses provocatively she "should" be raped.  If you dress in a way  that draws attention to yourself you are more likely to be raped, though rape in most cases  is  a power crime not a s*x crime, I mean in motivation.  Okay what I am trying ot say is that being scantily clad by no means jusitfys rape, it simply motivates it.   But your question is a good one, one who rapes  does not do so usually by attire but by opportunity!  But it is subjective.... being naked might deter most rapist, as it is a sign of power!  

Answer 31

Oh come on noone really says the victim brings it on themselves get real for a minute.

The argument is that if the sheer number of women who claim rape is so rampant in our culture then.

A Women arn't very smart for going out in high risk areas dressed provacatively.

or B as I suspect rape isn't nearly as widespread as feminists claim.

I don't care if a woman is nude in the middle of a bar no one has the right to rape her and if she is raped then she is a legitimate victim and should be afforded the justice any victim deserves.

But women don't help the cause of rape prevention by drawing attention to themselves by dressing this way.

If you dress in a manner that draws attention then you increase the chance of drawing the attention of someone who means to do harm it is really logical to add this together and see this is true,

What is illogical is when this is pointed out for femmies to start complaining that the victim is being blamed.