Why do advocates for illegals claim document fraud is not a crime?

Question

Assistant Attorney General John Evans said an investigation revealed 11 of the employees were using Social Security numbers that didn't appear to be associated with their name, and they were arrested on March 18.

To date, Dawley has sentenced eight of the 11 defendants, including Moreno-Peralta, to the 112 days they already served in jail and designated the crime a misdemeanor. Most of the defendants were also ordered to pay $400 in attorneys fees and a $25 indigent defense fee.

The judge could have placed the defendants on probation or sentenced them to up to two years in prison. He also could have designated the crime a felony.

All of the defendants' attorneys have told Dawley their clients never intended to hurt anyone, and they just wanted to work so they could provide for their families. Most, they said, didn't know they were committing a crime and none of them have a criminal history.

Defense attorney Darlene Chavera Chavez reiterated Wednesday what the other attorneys have said — residents of Mexico have been coming to the U.S. to work for decades and they've paid into the Social Security system.

"They created no harm," Chavez said. http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/254910

So in AZ document fraud according to Defense attorney Darlene Chavera Chavez is not a crime and everybody should be allowed to do it ,what's the harm ?

Answer 1

According to what you say, that is a lawyers' reasoning. What do you expect ?

Answer 2

Honey! I think you need to re-read and re-state your question. Nobody on here is saying it's not a crime or they wouldn't have been sentence to 112 days in jail, time that they have already spent in jail, or ordered to pay $400 in attorneys fees and a $25 indigent defense fee. The people that are on their side are "Attorneys" IT'S THEIR JOB! that's why!

Their plea agreements saved the state the expense of going to trial and allowed the defendants to begin their fight in immigration court.

Answer 3

I'm not clear on who it is that says document fraud isn't a crime--but of course, it is.

So is illegal entry in the USA.

Sounds like there were at least 2 crimes committed there.......so for the defense attorney to say they don't have a criminal history is just plain WRONG, Wrong, wrong.

Answer 4

Because they're lying hypocrites. They know it's a crime.

Answer 5

Advocates for illegal aliens do not want the American public to realize the depth of the crimes committed by illegal aliens or the negative impact on our society. Therefore, any other crime committed by an illegal alien must also be explained away as a non-crime or their "they only come to be law-abiding and make a living" rhetoric crumbles away like a sandcastle at high tide.  

Answer 6

Well I guess that it must be ok to have a fake PHD.  I mean I didn't know that I can not practice medicine on people.  That should be ok then.

Come on!! It"s a document a legal freaking doucumnt.. That SS number is tied to some ones name and that some ones TAXES.  And guess what that person will end up paying more d**n taxes.  

Answer 7

No I wouldn't want my identity stolen or used for anything and I don't feel its right. But I do now US Americans who are rich by selling their papers to others while they are making money. A girl in California sold her Birth Certificate (years ago) to a friend, paid $500 and she was working just fine, did her taxes and the tax money that she would receive would go to this girl while she stayed at home with her child. Easy. So, yeah here illegally ...sure,....will it ever stop....no, has been like this forever and will stay like this. Fraud....never put something in someone else's name like ordered a pizza and put it in someone elses name and sent it to their address, ever called potraying yourself to be someone else even to a friend to pull a prank, but meant no harm, ever ordered CD's from those purchasing places and bill me later. They sent you tapes and never paid for them.  Guilty are many, but many claim their innocent. Innocent till proven guilty.  So how do you exactly know who is illegal or legal? Is it written across their forheads? I am white, but how do you know that I am not here illegally...I could be from Canada, Germany, Russia, from Mexico to be exact?  How do you tell?

Answer 8

I don't see where you are getting that. They stated that "they didn't know they were committing a crime and none of them have a criminal history" that is not to say it isn't. I spit on the sidewalk the other day, apparently that's a crime, I just wasn't aware of it.

Nowhere in that article does it say anything about document fraud not being a crime. He's simply arguing that they didn't intend to harm anyone and was trying not to get the maximum penalty. That's his job as an attorney for one, and I totally agree. They got their penalty, they went to jail. My only question is, if they are here illegally were they deported?

Answer 9

What liberal and their socialist manipulators won't admit, they favor anything that will break the back of our capitalistic economy.  Providing a way for illegals to be able to stay in the USA, is simply a first step towards giving illegals citizenship & then be able to be dependant on government.

Liberals don't believe anyone without money, can make it in this society through hard work, sacrifice and getting educated.  They think capitalism is so unfair, poor people cannot pull themselves up by their own bootstraps to move into middle and upper class incomes; SO, they must be dependant on society and goverment.

Interestingly, the illegal Mexicans have a strong hard work ethic, doing work that other groups exploited by liberals, refuse to do. Its an embarassment to liberals that these Mexicans work really hard but liberals are confident that if illegal Mexicans are given citezenship, they will vote for democrats and that "hard work" ethic can be broken, through the next generation.

Don't use logic, integrity, fair play or legal means to try to understand why some Americans want illegals to be able to ignore the law and join the dependancy on government movement.  Any wrong doing, as you detailed, that advances us closer to socialism and harms our capitalistic society will be supported by liberals.