Why do pro-choice people think they are going to change peoples minds when they compare unborn children to

Question

aids, slavery, parasites, and cancer?

Do you consider these effective or marginalizing analogies?

Answer 1

As marginalizing as people standing on street corners with 5 ft. tall supposedly aborted baby posters.

Answer 2

All those analogies do is further prove that they really need to pick up a biology textbook. If they did, they'd realise that a parasite, in a biological sense, has to be of a different species to the host. And that cancer is a destructive illness whereas pregnancy is a gift.  

Also, I love the "pro-lifers are closed-minded" comments... isn't telling someone else that their views are wrong and expecting everyone to be pro-choice pretty closed-minded?

Answer 3

I had never heard such a thing, and I'm pro choice.  The only one I can relate to would be the "slavery".  But it's only referring to teenage pregnancy because the teenage girl doesn't realize that she will lose the freedom that they are always  craving... once she has a child.  I am personally a teenage mom.  I love my daughter.  She's my world... but if I could turn back time.. and if I had known how hard it would be, I would have terminated that pregnancy.. I was 16.

Answer 4

No, I do not, and sadly abortion is not as black and white as everyone perceives it to be, there are Grey areas. I think the only time an abortion is morally acceptable if the fetus is the result of rape, incest or the birth would kill the mother or the fetus is so physically and mentally handicapped it would need to be cared for its whole life.

I think couples who conceive unwanted children by not practicing safe s*x need to suffer the consequences and have the kid. In my opinion its wrong that a woman and her man were not using proper birth control, so a fetus is conceived then a woman uses abortion as a form of birth control, that is just sick.

Answer 5

It does appear that "parasite" is the favorite one.  

Answer 6

why do pro-abortion people always assume that people who question abortion and its application are fundamentalist christians? As one or two of the respondents here have.

I am a very left wing democrat/liberal who is (almost) anti-abortion in the way it is so freely applied in todays society - and with no input from bio-dad.

I really don't understand why the left wing has embraced abortion-on-demand as an issue when in actuality, democrats usually champion the rights of the disadvantaged and vulnerbale (ie unborn children)

Answer 7

No, I think the argument on whether we can actually define unborn fetuses as "Persons" to be a lot more effective. And since we cannot (see Peter Singers philosophical arguments for more info), the actual "persons" (as in the the mother) should have rights over the "Unperson".  

Answer 8

It's a defining line and protection for the women getting an abortion.  Which isnt an easy choice even if it's the best one she can make.

As far as the analogies...well in true definition they are kinda right

Aids; STD...so is pregnancy got to have s*x to get it.

Slavery...was in reference to forcing a woman to carry the child.  Forced work, with no say or rights is slavery

parasites: being that only survives off of a host.

cancer; uncontrolled growth of abnormal cells.

Answer 9

I'd consider those to be marginalizing analogies, and justly so. Children are not parasites or diseases, and certainly aren't slavery. They're biological consequences of having unprotected s*x. Some people just don't want to take responsibility for their actions.

They're not going to change anyone's mind about abortion, but they sure as h**l will succeed in painting all pro-choice people with the same bloody brush.

Now having said that, I will admit to being pro-choice if only because I believe that the human body is sovereign territory, with a big flag planted on it that says "Don't Tread On Me." Any government invading that territory needs a swift kick to its collective backside.

Answer 10

They don't care about converting other people they care to get rid of their guilt, if they keep telling themselves the life of child is not real then they can cope with the guilt

Answer 11

I find such analogies silly at the very least just as I find the notion of the foetus ("fetus" per American English) being some sort of "ball of cells that's not alive" or "a squatter occupying the domicile of another without a proper permit" utterly bizarre, and using those sorts of analogies simply really terrified at how irrational and ignorant some people can be.  There are reasonable arguments for pro-choice issues but this parasitic or malignant business is just ridiculous beyond words.

One would have to be mental to even speak this way about a living creature, let alone a foetus being a malignancy is biologically senseless.  This is not like a hydatidiform mole, which can easily be distinguished from a foetus ultrasonographically (even at 5 weeks by endovag. sono) by virtue of the foetal pole, CRL, even doppler interrogation of the foetal heart rate would exclude a malignancy.  There aren't any parasitic pathogens which occupy the womb, so that's also in defiance of medical knowledge.

This is some sort of peculiar machination by some sort of deranged human being.

Answer 12

Pro choice people have a choice in how they look at this question depending on the circumstances

In consideration of abortion they believe that they are not ending a life but mearly expunging some cells.

If the case be a man who kicks a pregnant woman in the guts and the pregnancy is terminated then the man should be charged with manslaughter because he killed a child.

Answer 13

Untamed is right.

But that's really got nothing to do with why abortion should be legal. You can think that a fetus is a full-blown human being and still think abortion should be legal, because if it's illegal then even more human deaths will occur-- women get abortions whether or not it's legal, and will die doing so.

Answer 14

Pro-choice people aren't interested in changing others. They want to decrease the likelyhood that some closeminded "prolife" person will tell them what they can and can't do with their bodies.

Answer 15

I consider it stupid.  When they want the kid its never referred to as those things, also its funny how the minute  they find out their pregnant they get excited. Shouldn't they wait until after the abortion time limit is up to get excited? I mean its not a baby until then right?

Also why do they always say that making abortion illegal would double the kids in foster care and back alley abortions? Why don't they ever assume that if it was illegal people would take better precautions because there is no out?

Also why do they act like people don't know where babies come from?

Also why do they act like birth control methods fail so much? I mean Cmon.

Anyways.... Thanks :)

Answer 16

I think these analogies are rude. I am a strong pro-lifer and would much rather debate with an intelligent and reasonable pro-choicer than a big-mouth who throws around these terms and denys that the fetus is alive and / or human.

Answer 17

I'm not trying to change your mind. I don't care what you think... that's how I feel, personally.

Lucky me, lucky girl, you have absolutely no say in what I do with my body. : )

Answer 18

Those are mostly incorrect analogies. They are equally as bad as the pro-lifers who constantly use emotional language and incorrect terms to twist the arguments.

There are good and bad arguments to both sides. I support the pro-choice side not because of these analogies, but because of the empircal and objective scientific findings. In other words, the good arguments on the pro-choice side are more convincing than the good arguments on the pro-life side.  

Answer 19

I don't want to change anyone's mind/beliefs.  I simply want the law to protect me from having those beliefs imposed upon me.  I have my own, thank you.

You call it an unborn child.  I call it a zygote, an embryo or a fetus, depending on it's stage of development.   You believe it is human from day one.   I would award it human status around the age of viability, around 24 weeks gestation.  

The law of the land needs to accommodate both your beliefs and mine.  So if you don't approve of abortion, don't have one, and don't get sexually involved with women who don't share your beliefs.  

Answer 20

It took me a while to catch on that abortion is such a constant battle in America. Even the non-believing pro-lifers (and choicers) are riddled with religious ethics at heart.

The rest of the developed world has moved on. It's not that we're immoral people, it's that our moral notions are wider than the idea that: "God decreed".

Answer 21

I heard about a "Pro Life" woman from the Midwest.  She was totally anti-abortion.  Then she got pregnant with a problem pregnancy.  Bringing the fetus to term would have killed her.  So she had it aborted.  It saved her life.  It changed her mind.  From that experience she learned that there are often perfectly valid medical reasons to terminate a pregnancy--to abort.  She learned that it is wrong of the "pro life" political side to try to interpose Big Government between a woman and her doctor. I hope you never have to go through anything like she did to learn the same truth.  

Answer 22

I consider the mothers that systematically have sexual intercourse because they are too moronic to realize that s*x results in babies as

an epidemic comparative to AIDS

parasites of society

intellectual slavery

and

generations of incurable cancer

I take that back...

It isn't like incurable cancer.

It can be cured.

Close your legs.

We don't want to see your sweaty desperation.

Answer 23

Dehumanizing someone is the first step to taking away their freedom. rights, life etc.. It makes it easier on the person doing the taking.  I heard a pro-choice woman say that her unborn baby became a person the minute she decided to keep it, as if she had the authority to decide who is a person and who isn't.

Answer 24

I'm well aware that attempting to change a fundamentalist's mind is a waste of time, which is why I don't generally bother with abortion questions these days.

Answer 25

You don't get out much, do you?