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Why do sunnis in India,Pakistan and Bangladesh practise Grave worship?

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shaybani..i dn't know what u r talking about..

@Jesus,so you admit that it is done..thanks..funny how you talk about apple,when asked about orange..ROFL

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  1. It is not only grave worship but also grave business. Thousands and millions are the turnover of those mosques that have an attached raised grave...May Allah give Hidaya  for all.

    Certainly not all. There are great scholars (eg:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Abul_H...   and men who if seen one would kiss their hands.   They are the people who not only speak Thauheed but  practice tauheed. Those who spend their times and efforts in the path of Allah and are steadfast in Deen.

    When the light of Thauheed enters the heart, shirk will run away. Those who are behind the graves are the poorer and  are called by others as Qubooriyyoon (grave worshipers)..while we see many are Qusooriyyon (Palace worshipers), they worship their King and the money. The poor goes to grave to fulfill his need while the later seeks the Kings and royals to fulfill his need. No good or bad can come except from Allah. He alone is to be worshiped. To Him alone is sought help and can rely & trust upon.


  2. Why do Christians Pray to a cross and a dead body of Judas ?

  3. *sigh*,

    the intention is not to worship graves. thats what the hindus think they are doing. they go to be near to a person who was a great servant of allah, a supposedly ultra-virtuous man, like a sufi saint, someone responsible for spreading Islam among hundreds of thousands of people. they pray near his resting place so that Allah may give them more merit and give more preference to their prayers because they show closeness and love for his noble servant.

    its ok to pray to Allah like "please for the sake of so-and-so accept my prayer" theoretically it is sound and the sufists if asked about this do provide firm justifications from the ahadith in bukhari and such.

    but the ignorant and simpleminded wrap too much festivity and colour around the whole thing that even the more religious sufists are urned away by that pomp and show. its just because the poor and ignorant dont know better or they dont care to know better and take things to an extreme because its more enjoyable to them, its the same thing with the salafists and the wahabists, they also take their characteristic beliefs of their sect to an unhealthy extreme, look at the al-qaida and the taliban and the sectarian terror outfits through south asia.

  4. To accuse someone of worshipping other than Allah is to accuse someone of kufr. To make takfir on a Muslim is itself an act of kufr. We Muslims have been advised that if someone makes takfir on us, we should declare shahadah: la illaha illa Allah wa Muhammad rasul Allah; and it would show them to be liars. It is a very dangerous thing to accuse one of grave worship who does salat and, as part of it, declares his belief that la illaha illa Allah wa Muhammad rasul Allah. We all need to be much more careful in guarding our Islam.

    In Islam, it is accepted and even recommended to visit the graves. Islam has validated the practise of tawassul and shif`a. Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, and al Hakim have all related statement of Prophet Muhammad: "More men will enter Paradise through the intercession of one man than there are people in the tribe of Banu Tamim." Al Hakim rated the hadith sahih. In the funeral salat for a child, the participants recite the following du`ah: "...make him one who will intercede (shafi`an) and whose intercession is accepted (mushaffa`an)." Ibn Hajar al-Haytami wrote in the 35th chapter of his book on Imam Abu Hanifa entitled al Khayrat al Hisan, "When Imam ash-Shafi`i was in Baghdad, he would visit the grave of Imam Abu Hanifah, greet him, and then ask Allah for the fulfillment of his need through his means." Imam Shafi`i himself said, "I swear I seek the blessing of Abu Hanifa (inni la?atabarraku bi-Abi Hanifa) and come to his grave every day" (Al-Khatib, Tarikh Baghdad).

    For a huge listing of the proofs of the validity of intercession, see http://www.sunnah.org/publication/encycl... .

    Imam Shafi`i was most certainly a Muslim. He most certainly declared shahadah several times during his life. His knowledge of Islam was so great that he became one of the four Imams whose madhahib are today the foundations of Sunni Islamic fiqh. It would be in the worst akhlaq and a grave danger to one's Islam to make takfir on such as Imam Shafi`i for visiting a grave and making intercession through its occupant.

    Sufism is not only accepted, it is very much a part of Islam. Tasawwuf is the study in Sunni Islam of methods of purification of the heart. One strives to make his worship of Allah as sincere as possible. Various Sufi tarikhas have developed various ways of achieving this. Whether or not one calls himself a Sufi, one should always strive to worship Allah as perfectly as possible, and to make his every action an act of worship dedicated to the obedience and pleasure of Allah.

    Tasawwuf/Sufism in Islam

    http://www.sunnipath.com/library/Article...

    The Place of Tasawwuf in Traditional Islam

    http://www.sunnipath.com/library/Article...

    Rumi: True and False Sufis

    http://www.sunnipath.com/Library/Article...

    Muslims, guard your Islam and learn about your religion from reliable sources.

  5. salam,

    A Muslim cannot practice "grave worship" but i think i know what you're trying to say. Those who bash shias, and those who bash anybody, are generally illogical people - the fir of hate within them for shias burns so brightly that they can no longer understand the concepts of difference of opinion and healthy discussion and debate. They think that their bashing is pleasing God but in actual fact it does the opposite.

    With regards to this issue of the supposed "grave worship", there's a good story to narrate, it is contained within this converstaion with al-shaheed Mohammed Baqir al-Sadr:

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    I asked, "Why do the Shia decorate the graves of their saints with gold and silver, despite the fact that it is prohibited in Islam?"

    Al-Sayyid al-Sadr replied,

        This is not done just by the Shia, and it is not prohibited. Look at the mosques of our brothers the Sunnis in Iraq or Egypt or Turkey or anywhere else in the Islamic world, they are all decorated with gold and silver. Furthermore, the mosque of the Messenger of Allah (saw) in al-Madinah al-Munawarah and the Kaba, the House of Allah, in the blessed Mecca is covered every year by a cloth decorated by gold which costs millions. So such a thing is not exclusive to the Shia.

    I asked "The Saudi Ulama say that touching the graves and calling the saints for their blessings is polytheism, so what is your opinion?"

    Al-Sayyid al-Sadr replied:

        If touching the graves and calling the dead is with the understanding that they could cause harm or render a benefit, then that is polytheism, no doubt about it, the Muslims are monotheists and they know that Allah alone could cause harm or render a benefit, but calling the saints and Imams [may Allah bless them all] with the understanding that they could be an intermediary to Allah, that is not polytheism. All Muslims, Sunnis and Shias, agreed on this point from the time of the Messenger up to the present day, except the Wahabiyyah, the Saudi Ulama who contradict all Muslims with their new creed. They caused considerable disturbances among the Muslims, they accused them of blasphemy, they spilt their blood and even beat old pilgrims on their way to the House of Allah in Mecca just because they say "O Messenger of Allah, may peace be upon you", and they will never let anybody touch his blessed grave. They had so many debates with our learned people, but they persisted in their stubbornness and their arrogance.

        Al-Sayyid Sharaf al-Din, a famous s**+'i learned man, went on pilgrimage to the House of Allah during the time of Abdul Aziz ibn Saud, and he was one of those Ulama who were invited to the King's palace to celebrate with the King 'Id al-Adhha, in accordance with the customs there. When his turn came to shake the King'shand, Sayyid Sharaf al-Din presented him with a leather bound Qur'an. The King took the Qur'an and placed it on his forehead then kissed it. Al Sayyid Sharaf al-Din said, "O King, why do you kiss and glorify the cover which is only made out of goat's skin?" The King answered, "I meant to glorify the Holy Qur'an, not the goat's skin." Al-Sayyid Sharaf al-Din then said, "Well said, O King. We do the same when we kiss the window or the door of the Prophet's (saw) chamber, we know it is made of iron and could not harm or render a benefit, but we mean what is behind the iron and wood, we mean to glorify the Messenger of Allah (saw) in the same way as you meant with the Qur'an when you kissed its goat's skin cover.

        The audience was impressed by al-Sayyid and said, "You are right." The King was forced to allow the pilgrims to ask for blessings from the Prophet's relics, until the order was reversed by the successor of that king. The issue is not that they are afraid of people associating others with Allah, rather, it is a political issue based on antagonizing and killing the Muslims in order to consolidate their power and authority over the Muslims, and history is the witness to what they have done with the Muslim nation.

    _______________

    sorry for copying and pasting that story but it's quite interesting.

  6. The worshiping of graves practiced by some of the Soofees in India and Pakistan and Bangladesh is nothing less than Shirk.

    Many of these people whom you called Sunnis are Soofees. They follow the beliefs of the Shaadhiliyyah and the Chistiyyah and the Qaadiriyyah and the Naqshibandiyyah and others.

    These actions are forbidden and they are considered shirk.

    Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahhaab spoke about the prohibition of these acts in his Kitaab at-Tawheed.

  7. whose graves?

  8. Sunnis  in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh dont worship graves

    however praying for the person who has passed away is permitted as the person passed away cannot even say "subhanillah"

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  10. They dont -its wahaabu khawarij who accuse people of shirk becuase they dont have husn ud dhunn.

    The Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wasalaam commanded us to visit graves

    Let me tell you- what is it like to accuse a Muslim of adultery?

    It is a major major sin

    So what about accusing a Muslim of the worse sin-shirk?

    They clearly dont fear Allah since they know what a serious issue takfir is. You should make tawba for what you have said

    The Prophet (sallAllahu alayhi wasalaam) said if someone calls another Muslims a kafir one of them is.

    Fear Allah

  11. Salam Aleykum Sis!

    I applaud your open mindedness and tolerance

    To answer your question, I strongly believe that Indians Pakistani and Bangladeshis are wonderful muslims who are not only strong in faith but are also tolerant towards others... Desi(forgive me for uniting them into one term) muslims do the practice of Grave worship... but we must ask what is grave worship because the term is generally misconceived

    People think that Grave worship means the literary "worshipping" of graves (naozubillah!!!)... NO! that is not true! Grave worshipping means Worshiping Allah near a grave so as to pass on blessings to the personality that has died. Kneeling/bowing before a grave is HARAM for sunnis and Shias alike, but praying for the person is definitely allowed for all Sunnis except Deobandis/wahabis... No one actually worships graves literally, but Desis respect the personality who died and ask God to help that person...

    @ Mr Gaddafi

    From my observation I can say for sure, the fact that 90% of Bangladeshi Muslims have done what is known as "grave worshiping" in here........Sufis are VERY RARE in modern Bangladesh, if you dont call them Sunni then dont, thats fine, that would mean the Muslim country with the 2nd highest number of Sunni Muslims is actually full of so called Kafirs? 98% of Bangladeshi muslims are HANAFI SUNNIS.......check your info again

    And whether you know it or not the a huge number of Pakistanis who call themselves Hanafi Sunnis (NOT SUFI) have actually practiced grave worship and continue to do so...

    You know the total population of all Indians, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis who are Sunni muslims are 8 times to that of Iran's population, so why do you only insult us Iranians and shia only, when those of your Hanafi brothers do the same?

    FYI, it is estimated that 60% of muslims in the world are Hanafi Sunnis who are originated from India/Pakistan and Bangladesh. So are you saying that 60% of Sunni muslims are Kafir like shias???

    Waiting for your answer....

  12. sunnis worship idols of abu bakra at home

  13. It's because they dont know they are committing sin - Shirk

    They have less knowledge bout Qur'an cos for some people they will read but wont know the meaning of what they are readin, they will be very religious but wont realise they are makin a sin :)

    Im a Sunni plus a p**i, no one woships these nonsense things from my family....And i have Bangladeshi and Indian friends too, they dont practice this either.

    There are some people who practice yes, but u cant say the whole lot practices dear :)

    Peace..

  14. don't mess up Muslim(sunnie) with sufis.

    Its upon tradition of sufi & shia to worship Graves.

    edit@ asker nimmy . I am 100% sure that a true Muslim(sunnie) will never do that.

  15. The reality is that Islaam in those countries was influenced by the non Mulsim living out there.Esp hindos who worshiped all sort of things & no thanks to king Akbar of India who married a Hindu lady. with her help, he as being a weak eman Muslims though it would be a good idea if Muslims also had places similar to that by adding a Mul;sim touch.to it. & off course shaytaan is good in helping batil. May Allah for give them.

  16. What is grave worship? Please provide more information with   evidences. Thank you.

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