Why do the Ahlul Fitna (Wahabis) think this?

Question

That the Shias think Allah changes his mind?

Arent they the ones who say alcohol used to be permissable but later became harram?

Arent they the ones who say Mutah used to permissable, than became harram?

So who really thinks that Allah changes His mind?

Allah knows whats best for everyone, and makes something halal or harram permantly, and does not change a ruling on anything

so how come the Ahlul Fitna think this?

Answer 1

Cos they're the Ahlul Fitnaa =)

Edit: at times.. when i get pissed off this is what happens.. sorry.. but if people stop going on about the mut'a thing then maybe i will stop supporting this user.. but in a way dont you think it is right that whatever he is doing is right? because when people like sina raise questions about mut'a, dont you think us (shias) get mad? and then when we say anything about you guys (sunnis) you straight away start being rude and have a reaction like yours...

sometimes it kills to see people hurt your feelings

Answer 2

Oh what a big mistake you made posting this question.

Who really thinks that "Allaah changes his mind"? In the case of the Shee'ah: "Makes mistakes" or "lies" as one of the Raafidhee Imaams so eloquently put it.

It's your 'Aqeedah of Bada'

Your use of Mutu'a is a sad attempt to saving your argument.

There is a Chapter in Usool al Kaafee of al Kulaynee in the book of Tawheed (??) and also in Bihaar al Anwaa of al Majlisee and Ibn Baabawayh in his "Tawheed" where they record this accusation against Allaah:

ما عبد الله بشيء مثل البداء

And

ما عظم الله عز وجل بمثل البداء

And

ولو علم الناس ما في القول بالبداء من الأجر ما افتروا من الكلام فيه

And

وما بعث الله نبيًا قط إلا بتحريم الخمر وأن يقر لله بالبداء

Do you want more? Keep it up, I'll post Chapters from your lying books.

So why do the Rawaafidh, the people of Shirk, think that Allaah "lies" and "makes mistakes"?

Answer 3

Allah never changes his mind but he does do things to make Islam easier on the Muslims when it first started spreading. Alcohol was first not prohibited until later, through abrogation in the Quran (I can provide proof if you want), and Mut'ah was not prohibited until later in Islam by Muhammad (pbuh) according to a narration by Ali (ra), it is also proven in the Quran that Mut'ah does not fall under the category of those women who are permitted for marriage (I can also prove that if you like. As for the Shia belief, I would like you to answer a question since you think Wahhabis, who by the way are Sunnis, are ahlul-Fitnah. answer this for me:

I know where you are trying to get with this, so how about you answer this question for me (and read it all if you really care about what the truth is). I mean no offense to Shias because I grew up with them, but I would really like to understand why there is such a big mistake in this belief that goes against the Quran.

Ahlul-Bayt in the Shia belief includes: Ali & Fatima, Hassan, Hussein, Zain Al-Abidein, Al-Baqir, Al-Sadiq, Al-Kathim, Al-Ridha, Al-Taqi, Al-Hadi, Al-Askari and the Mahad: Muhammad ibn Hassan Al-Askari.

But, according to the verse 33:33 (which I was given as proof that Ahhlul-Bayt is pure):

And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless. (Yusuf Ali)

And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of Ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor-due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. (Pickthall)

And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salat (IqamatasSalat), and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove ArRijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet SAW), and to purify you with a thorough purification. (Hilali/Khan)

However, when looking at the verse right before it (33:32):

O Consorts of the Prophet! Ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear (Allah), be not too complacent of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just. (Yusuf Ali)

O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech. (Pickthall)

O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner. (Hilali/Khan)

Verse 33:33 would be referring to none other but the wives of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh), which includes all of the wives and not just Fatima or Ali and his descendants. So my question is, how come you do not consider Aisha and Hafsa as part of the Ahlul-Bayt when the verse clearly states that it was being referred to the "wives" of the prophet, meaning not only Fatima? Don't Aisha and Hafsa also fall under that category and thus are "pure"?

33:30

يانساء النبي من يات منكن بفاحشة مبينة يضاعف لها العذاب ضعفين وكان ذلك على الله يسيرا

‏33:31

ومن يقنت منكن لله ورسوله وتعمل صالحا نؤتها اجرها مرتين واعتدنا لها رزقا كريما

‏33:32

يانساء النبي لستن كاحد من النساء ان اتقيتن فلا تخضعن بالقول فيطمع الذي في قلبه مرض وقلن قولا معروفا

33:33

‏ وقرن في بيوتكن ولاتبرجن تبرج الجاهلية الاولى واقمن الصلاة واتين الزكاة واطعن الله ورسوله انما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس اهل البيت ويطهركم تطهيرا

‏33:34

واذكرن مايتلى في بيوتكن من ايات الله والحكمة ان الله كان لطيفا خبيرا

I don't know if you can speak Arabic, so here is the translation:

O wives of the Prophet! Whoever of you commits an open illegal sexual intercourse, the torment for her will be doubled, and that is ever easy for Allah. And whosoever of you is obedient to Allah and His Messenger SAW , and does righteous good deeds, We shall give her, her reward twice over, and We have prepared for her Rizqan Karima (a noble provision Paradise). O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat as-Salat), and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet SAW), and to purify you with a thorough purification.

Now, let's examine these verses further. The Shia claim that this verse refers to Fatima, Ali, Hassan, and Husain. That means 1 woman, and 3 men. Verses 33:30 - 33:34 clearly shows it's reference to a group of women (not 1) and at least one male.

يانساء - Oh wives [33:30]

يانساء - Oh wives [33:32]

لستن - You are not (feminine, plural) [33:32]

اتقيتن - Keep your duty (feminine, plural) [33:32]

تخضعن - Be soft (feminine, plural) [33:32]

وقلن - And speak (feminine, plural) [33:32]

وقرن - And stay (feminine, plural) [33:33]

بيوتكن - Your home (feminine, plural) [33:33]

تبرجن - Display 'v' (feminine, plural) [33:33]

واقمن - And preform (feminine, plural) [33:33]

واتين - And give (feminine, plural) [33:33]

واطعن - And obey (feminine, plural) [33:33]

عنكم - From you (feminine + masculine, plural) [33:33]

ويطهركم - And to purify you (feminine + masculine, plural) [33:33]

واذكرن - And remember (feminine, plural) [33:34]

This proves that these verses are referring to a group of women (wives) and not only Fatima, but all of the prophet's wives. When it came to the reference of Ahlul-bayt, it referred to a group of women and at least one man. When there are a group of women and men, the word will take the masculine form. However, it is clear that these verses referred to the wives of the prophet and the man/men in his family. Ahlul-Bayt means: People of the household. The prophet's wives according to these verses in the Quran, and considered part of Ahlul-Bayt.

Let's take the claim that the verses came in different times, now, let's only have a look at 33:33 and nothing else. All of the verbs used in this verse are referring to a group of women:

وقرن - And stay (feminine, plural) [33:33]

بيوتكن - Your home (feminine, plural) [33:33]

تبرجن - Display 'v' (feminine, plural) [33:33]

واقمن - And preform (feminine, plural) [33:33]

واتين - And give (feminine, plural) [33:33]

واطعن - And obey (feminine, plural) [33:33]

عنكم - From you (feminine + masculine, plural) [33:33]

ويطهركم - And to purify you (feminine + masculine, plural) [33:33]

So, that completely goes against the claim that it is referring to Fatima , Ali, Hassan, and Hussain. I'm not putting you on the spot here, but when you ask if we love Ahlul-Bayt, yes we do. And we include the wives of the prophet as this verse clearly states.

Answer 4

stop barking for a sec. omg, u need to put some duck tape on ur mouth or something

Edit: @rock chick. wow, u surprised me, i know u r shia, but i didnt know u were like that dog who asked this q

Agree with s**+'ism is Not Islam . He should get BA

Answer 5

you have got a good picture of mauwiya in ur pic bro......good one!

My salams to u

Answer 6

Shias who believe in bada !!

naudu billah !

look here I'm not barking and saying lies like you

1.) Allah has the Quality of 'Badaa'.

Usul Kafi- Babul bad'aa - Al- Kafi Vol- 1 -P283 India Ed.

2)"Allah often lies and does mistakes" (Usool-e-kaafi, page#328, yaqoob kulaini, vol1)

now this is from your kufer book which the first book in shiaism

now to answer your stupid comment

Alcohol was before Islam OK Islam didn't ban every thing from the first day

but thing by thing  etc !

the same for Muta etc

all bad things got banned by time !

people used it before Islam

what a stupid shias

thank Allah that I'm Muslim NOT a Shia !

EDIT: @ sister Palestinian Muslima  don't bay her attention

all shias are the same some just using taqqiyah and using undercover accounts like the asker is the same Rehan User !

most of them here sometimes run out of taqqiyah and insult some sahaba  but yet some Muslim are so easy to be fooled!

for Example FTL  is insulted great sahabi Mua'awiya but yet they applaud for him !

the same goes for Prince of Persia .. he also insulted sahaba specially Mua'awiya !

and most of the user girls

like Heba  i love skiing  Mariam  etc ..

it's their religion : ) !

Answer 7

Abrogating an order is altogether a different matter.

Shia believes that Allah told them a specific date of emergence of mehdi and change the mind and give another date.

So, changing a prophecy and changing an order are two different matters.

Ammending order was for the ease of humans where as ammending prophecy proves that Allah is imperfect in His knowledge.

Answer 8

They have nothing better to do, fear not my friend, super Allah will put them in h**l, inshallah