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Why do you think more men don't fight for their unborn children's lives from being aborted?

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Couldn't men set a precedent in a court of law for their rights concerning their children? Do you think most men of aborted children agreed with the mother, or did they not want the responsibility, either?

Everyone is always talking about their rights, so what about the rights of the Father of the fetus, cells, embryo's, a mass, whatever you want to call them...growing babies, and why doesn't "Dad" get any rights, or try and press for them concerning their children? "They don't bare them, doesn't fly", I want to know where "Dad's" rights are?

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  1. The biggest problem is that there is no consensus on when is a fetus is a human being. Is it at the time of conception? Or is it when the fetus can live outside the womb? Once that question is answered, then the whole abortion issue will be over (which will be never, because there will never be a consensus).


  2. Since courts have established that a fetus is part of the mother, and not an individual person, the father would not be able to establish any rights during the period when abortions are performed. You may as well say that a husband should have the right to decide whether or not his wife can have her tonsils removed.

  3. I think this is a very interesting question.  The law classifies an embryo as a part of the woman's body, not as a person.  The woman has a right whether or not to continue the pregnancy until the fetus is able to live outside the woman's body, which is during the third trimester.  Other factors to consider is that the man is never certain that HE is the father of an embryo; he must go by assumption or by the word of the woman.  The man has no right to tell a woman to abort or not to abort a pregnancy due to this gray factor.  Paternity can be established with a DNA test.  Unfortunately, the answer to this would be that the father's rights start upon the child's birth, not before.  A man can always choose to wait later to make a baby when the woman is ready or simply find another woman who is willing to make a baby with him now.

  4. You can't force a woman to have a baby against her will, which is what you would be doing if the father had a say-so in whether or not the mother had an abortion.  The father has a choice when it counts - wear a condom and prevent the problem in the first place.  

  5. You are right....fathers should have rights too. There are many men however that don't want to be "burdened" by a child. These are the same men that didn't wear protection the day the baby was conceived.

  6. Look up Roe vrs Wade.  The father had no rights, but in the end it was the mother's decision.  

    Alot of mother's don't want their baby unless they think the father does.  The father doesn't want to deall with his estranged crazy wife or girlfriend for the next 20 years.  I think most father's would accept the responsibility if they did'nt have to deal with the witch.

  7. There are no such thing as natural rights. Humans are not born with rights. Rights are a social invention.

    Modern socialism went too far with them already. Because rights are a way to regulate interaction between us, they should be reasonable and practical. In your case, a father asking for the preservation of a fetus that's inside someone else it's not practical. It means that you have the right over the life and freedom of someone else. What's more important, her right to her life or your right to the fetus (who's not entirely yours, in fact only the first half cell was yours)?

    My advice is that you should have s*x with a woman only if you know her enough to be sure that she's going to be with you forever and you both have the same family project for the future. This way you don't have to have a right to the fetus.

    In any other circumstances (including he case where you THINK you're included in the previous but you're not) , you don't have any rights because the fetus is inside someone else's body.

    You may say that it's unfair because women always will have more rights over their unborn babies than men, and I totally agree with you. But you have to understand that life's not fair, it never was, it never will.

    What you're proposing is a bad solution to dysfunctional relationship violating women's rights to their own life and body.


  8. I think in many states/countries you have to get the father's permission, or at least he has a chance to say "Wait, no, I want this child, I will take responsibility for it."

    So yes, in most cases, the father DID NOT want the child either.

  9. In the United States, as wrong as it sounds, permission is not required.  The U.S. Supreme Court has, in numerous cases, decreed that a state cannot require the father's permission for the abortion, nor can it grant the father any right to prevent the abortion.  The woman doesn't even have to tell her husband/the father.  If the father takes the case to court, seeking an injunction, the court will most likely decide, in line with the Supreme Court, that he has no rights to what has been decided to be a part of the woman's body.

  10. Most men don't want an unexpected child in the first place. The fetus is a part of the mother's body, so she should decide what action she wants to take. If you were in a serious relationship with a woman when this issue presented itself, than you could have a conversation concerning your position, but ultimately, it would be her decision. And that is the way it should be. How would you feel if you were legally obliged to bear a child you didn't want only because your significant other did? The father has no rights concerning the fetus.

  11. Men HAVE tried, and failed, to fight for the rights of unborn children before. The bottom line is, no one should be able to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her own body. And yes the whole "they don't bare them" DOES fly. A man will not have to quit working because they are pregnant. A man does not have to go through all that pain and suffering to pop out the baby. A man will not have to suffer all those mood swings  and burdens of what it means to be pregnant. I agree that it seems unfair that "dad" doesn't get a say when it comes to the termination of his unborn child. However, its even worse to force a woman to go through months of undue stress and uber-mega amounts of pain for a child she wants no part in raising. Personally, I'm against abortion, but I'm also against forcing women to be baby factories for a man they aren't interested in ever having anything to do with.  

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