Why does everyone on here call their horses QH Paints? They are two seperate breeds that share some bloodlines

Question

Unless the horse is double registered with APHA and AQHA. If it has pinto markings and is not registered, it is a PINTO. I'm not trying to be rude, it is just really annoying.

Answer 1

QH is a breed  paint is a color  yup its a screwy system lol  Dave

Answer 2

I am starting to get tired of this.  You are laboring under a misconception.  FIRST the entire reason for the APHA was to register stock horses of QH lineage with paint markings.  Paint is a color not a breed.  The paint registry made the unfortunate decision to choose the name of the color for its registry name.  

On the other hand the PINTO registry made the opposite mistake.  They chose a breed name as there registry name and then chose to allow any paint to register.  

This has led to so much confusion that few people today even remember that the Pinto was a painted horse of Native American (sorry I am not very PC all the time and often use the term Indian) ancestry which resemble a mustang with finer features.  It was just as hardy and very strong.  However many registries (most) still use the term paint to describe there horses of tobiano, sabino, and frame markings.

Thus if you have a registered paint, you have a paint of QH.  That lineage may be far enough back that the horse can not be registered as a QH but the lineage is there.  

So if you are annoyed get annoyed with those two registries.  It is not for them to decide how everyone else is supposed to use terms that were in place before their existence.

As I said I can still remember when the two registries were started.

As far as paints without quarter horse lineage... no they all have it though some of the lineages come from the old style quarter horse that averaged only 14.0 hands mixed with some of the old pintos (meaning breed not color here, this is where the paint color came from).  But as I said the lineage is there.  For people who do not know this and buy into the stretched truth the registry gives them, then yes it may get annoying.

Oh just to name a couple of registries that use the term paint...

Missouri Fox Trotting Horse Breed Association

Tennessee Walking Horse Breed Association

I have not checked on the national show horse registry but I believe the half arabian registry calls the horses with the 'paint markings' as paints.

Jordyn, I did not say they did-- I said I thought they did.  On that I am not sure ( I thought I said that).  I was talking specifically about the half arabian horse registry affiliated with the AHA.  However they may have gone with the term pinto to allow the horses to be double registered as pinto.  I do not have a great deal of dealings with them since I do not breed my arabian mare.

But notice that the registries that have always had the tobiano and sabino patterns do indeed still use the term PAINT.

Answer 3

because they dont know better...

LOOK AT THE PRETTY HORSE WITH SPOTS?!?!?!?!?!

yes i know there are differences, but i figure that point i dont want to argue, i'll argue about conformation and you can take on the breed differences and maybe someday people will educate themselves on the differences between paint,quater horse, and pintos. .. and maybe someday learn about conformation, even if it's just the shoulder angle.

good luck and have a nice day ( i do understand how you feel)

Answer 4

I'm with ya!!! Uneducated! or Programmed!

Answer 5

perhaps it is a QH with Paint markings..

I thaught Pinto was a breed and paint was a colour, thats hwta i was toled.

Answer 6

Like you said, people interchange "paint" with "pinto" when talking about markings.  I feel kind of bad for you if you find it THAT annoying, though.  There's a lot worse things to be spending negative energy on...

Answer 7

to jeff sadler.

you most definently do not call half arabs "paints"

seeing as that is not their breed. they are registered in pinto and therefore called a pinto, i think you need to get your facts straight.

and to davequeen69 paint is a breed, not a color.

Answer 8

My horse is a Quarter horse and paint cross. So i guess some people could be trying to say that their horses are crosses too maybe they are just to lazy to type cross or the word and? LOL!

Answer 9

i have 4 paints, although only one is spotted. They are all papered as paints. When people ask what breed my solid paints are, and i say paint, unless they are very knowledgeable they argue and say "no paints MUST have spots and yours don't so they are a qh". so for people who don't know, i just say qh. because to me, breed doesn't matter. my horses are useful, so what does it matter if they are really a qh or a paint?

Answer 10

so what is your opinion about painted walkers?!?! there is a such thing!!!

Answer 11

Please keep in mind that this forum is meant to help each other and build knowledge - not judge people for their questions - although that's often difficult to do when reading the questions.

Never assume someone knows something just as you do - can you be assured that the person asking the question actually SHOULD know what their talking about?  We often can't tell how many decades old askers are let alone their proper age unless they tell us outright or their profile includes it and we choose to go look at their profile.

I think your question would be better done to have asked a positive question from the standpoint of sharing knowledge - more like this:

"I've often seen many people in this forum refer to "QH Paints" which is incorrect - do you all know what the difference is between a QH and a Paint?"

Leaving this question open ended like this would allow others to share their knowledge in different ways - we humans often "hear" the same answer differently based on the words used - I can give you the same answer someone else does in a different way and one may click with you while the other may not.

If you wished to simply answer your own question - or wait until you had some answers and simply add:

Color breeds (like paints and pintos) are often required to meet standards of color or white markings while bloodline breeds (like QH and TBs) may or maynot have rules regarding color as much as type of blood content.

For example, can I have a Foundation Quarter Horse with Tobiano color?

I CAN have a horse that's registered now as a QH and a Paint with new rules from each registry - but can I have a horse that CAN'T be registered as one or the other?

I own paints - and people who are young or ignorant (not to be confused with stupid - ignorant people simply have not learned better yet, stupid people refuse to learn) often confuse them because the rules are not easily understood by them.

So, many of us would appreciate, in future less judgementalism and more true, positive, education building questions and answers......too often lately I see people adding prefaces or ending their questions with "no mean answers please" which tells me people aren't thinking of how their typed words will be read - would they say the exact same words to that person if there were face to face?  They may, but different voice and tone inflections might make a big difference in the way the answer is taken - you don't have the luxury of controlling tone and inflection here.

Actually, were I to wish to impart to someone that I HAVE a paint and it's of QH bloodlines, why would I be wrong to say I have a "QH Paint"?  Additionally, since AQHA now allows white markings why couldn't I say I have a "Paint QH" meaning a registered quarter horse with paint markings?  they wouldn't be fully fleshed descriptions, but they'd get a point across wouldn't they?

Think about it.