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Why does free will necessitate sin?

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God has free will, doesn't he? And he is sinless, isn't he?

It seems kind of backward to give free will to your creation, and then create him with a nature that is utterly incapable of NOT sinning. And then to condemn sinning, of course.

God supposedly made us "in his image." Why not also make us "of his nature?"

Failing that, why be so shocked, SHOCKED that there is sinning going on down there?

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  1. It's all a big test. I bet "god" is laughing his a** off right now watching people trying to figure it out.


  2. Our salvation is only through Will.

  3. It's all propaganda, bottom line is total political control over the masses.

  4. It doesn't. Consequences of bad choices necessitate sin.

    All the angels have free will. Only some fell into sin. Ergo free will does NOT necessitate sin.

  5. He did make us sinless.  It was Lucifer who tempted Eve into eating an apple of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil.  God did not want to make robots,  he decided to give us choice, to make us sentient beings that he may be with forever.  The tree was there for man to choose, even though God said imminent death awaits for those who eat from it.  And he didnt come short on the promise either.  If Adam and Eve had not eaten from the apple, he would be alive and in Eden today.  who knows he may even of got a place in Manhattan.  but the point is that God did not create sin, he tried to protect us from it.  

  6. It only necessitates sin if you use it properly ;-)

  7. Free will doesn't necessitate sin.  

    Free will gives you the ability to choose..... if you choose the wrong way, that doesn't make it the fault of free will.  it makes it your fault for choosing it.

  8. God doesn't exist

    God didn't create us

  9. I think your perspective on all these things is completely "OFF".

    First of all we are not only made in His image but we ARE of divine parentage, of infinite worth and are literally children of a loving eternal Father in Heaven.  When we were created and before we came to this earth we WERE not sinful and imperfect but have entered a fallen world and are subject to the things of the flesh, the materialism of the world, the evils of our day, the temptations of satan.  

    Christ Himself was subject to these things.  Our nature is only sinful because of where we are living.  Our mission was to come to this earth, obtain a body and experience all things, over come the world as much as possible and try to be as Christlike as possible - but He knew we could not be perfected until we leave this life.  Christ said "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is Perfect".... HE expects us to TRY to be perfect but realizes that will not be fully realized until we leave this mortal existence and return to Him where our eternal progression will continue and perfection can be attained.  Christ Himself was sinless but not fully perfect even HIMSELF until after He lived, suffered, died and was resurrected.  In completing HIS mission on earth He then attained HIS glorified perfected position on the right hand of the Father.  As He said "This is my work and my glory, to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man."  His is made perfect through our salvation and redemption from this imperfect sinful world.

    God isn't shocked when we sin - He full realizes that these things can give us experience and make us better, stronger, more purified and sanctified.  This life, after all, is a test.  I don't know about you, but I believe that MY NATURE is divine and this life allows me opportunity to BECOME who I truly am thru the things I experience, even the SIN in this life.  I do not believe we are sinful beings.  I believe we are eternal spiritual beings living in a physical temporal sin filled world.

    Ultimately our choices make a huge difference in who we BECOME and the true nature that is revealed and nurtured while in this life.

  10. It is not the free will, but the "choices" we make.  We alone, as individuals, are and must be responsible for these 'choices' in life.

  11. God's will is loving. To God anything not loving doesn't exist. It's only illusion. Eventually, our perception will be His.

  12. "When God shuts a door, he opens a window."

    God created us, and we are complex, as he is. Who says we are not also created with some of his nature as well.

    Look at some of the Christians that say homosexuality is sin and all g**s are going to h**l, are they not acting like an unforgiving, vengeful God? (without Jesus, we are left to face God the Father on our own, and that is what we would come up against)

    Sin did not exist until Moses came down the mountain with the ten commandments. Without Law there is no sin. Well actually, I guess the first law was don't eat of the fruit of the tree in the middle of the Garden of Eden, which Adam and Eve did do, thus they sinned then. My bad. (Romans 4:14)

    And yet God loves us so he gave us a way to be redeemed of the sins that we do.

    Romans 5:8

    "For while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

    John 3:16-18

    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

    I think that the reason God put in place the dynamic of law and sin was to necessitate a dependancy on Jesus Christ as our Lord. Look to history at the armies that had Lords as their leaders- they would die for their Lord, if they were loyal soldiers. According to some scriptures I have been reading, we are created to be adopted sons and daughters, through Jesus our Lord for his pleasure and will. "For his will" sounds like he has purposes for us- perhaps even after we depart this life. Are there wars to be fought in the next life and he wants loyal soldiers? There are plenty of scriptures that elude to battlefield metaphors. "Put on the full armor of God" etc. (Ephesians 6:11).  Maybe there is more to it than metaphor.

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