Why don't women excel despite all the artificial advantages men have so kindly (and thanklessly) given them?

Question

clone: I don't care about what you're doing, but don't waste my time with it

Answer 1

Women have excelled.

Dont be a jerk dude.

As far as affirmative action goes, yeah its unfair, a counter to imaginary advantages that white males supposedly get. But really, only a few minorities and women benefit from it.

Leigh: Really now? Because from what i understand, men work longer hours than women, at more dangerous jobs, and bring home more $$$.

Tell you what, i'll help you with the 1 hour of household chores daily when you go to work 12 hours a day putting yourself in danger for your family.

Seriously, answers like yours are offensive in the extreme.

Flower: Holding reproduction over our heads is amusing. You are a pot with dirt in it without men, and we are seeds without you.

Something tells me you wouldn't get far without us you pots of dirt :P

Answer 2

Do you mean all their special legislation?

Answer 3

What "artificial advantages"?

Answer 4

hahaha well if your momma didn't excel at giving birth to you well then you would not be here.

so guess we do something right.

hey I got one for ya if you take away love affection etc..

do women really need men?  actually we could easy do without you just need some seeds and we are done with ya.  

however how successful do you think men would be trying to populate the world without healthy happy woman to carry children?  guess you wouldn't get far.

I hear fear, fear because we hold the power of life you just plant seeds which will do nothing without us.

So go thank your Mother and stop being a child.

And for the record I do not personally think of men this way but hey when it comes down to a debate with half brain like this well.. we don't need much from them.  But I personally don't want to live without men and have great respect for people not just what their s*x is.

Answer 5

Because unlike men, they're not expected to, unless they expect it of themselves.  They can attach themselves to a man's income, status and success, and society thinks none the less of them for it.  Why do the work when someone else can do it for you?

Answer 6

If men are giving 'artificial' advantages, then they know how to negate those advantages as well.  That said, I think your whole premise is wrong.

Answer 7

I don't know what kind of 'artificial advantages' you think men have given women especially since there have been many sociological findings that uncover deep resentment in men and barriers they keep in place in order to keep themselves dominant. It is often claimed that women have a chip on their shoulder and go too far to demand equality as if it isn't natural for women to want or need equality. Women are required to conform to whatever society dictates is 'feminine' which inevitably keeps them subordinate because that which is considered 'masculine' is also considered superior regardless of whether or not this should be the case.

Furthermore, Mystical Mamba was right in saying "in terms of science/research women are equal to males". Just because more Nobel prizes are handed to men does not mean women are not deserving of them. It means the Nobel prizes have been around longer than women's rights have! It is not a reflection of women being less good at science.

If anything, I would say that men have (so kindly) given women DISADVANTGES. These disadvantages result from the economic subordination of women's positions because they are kept in the home and expected to work in the home without being paid (when if they were doing the same jobs they do in their own home but in somebody else's, they would be paid). Women's contributions in the house are not just beneficial to the house but economy as a whole because without the smooth running of children and looking after one's husband, society would run less smoothly too.

Women who do not excel in particular ares do not excel because it is in mens' interest to keep women subordinated and unpaid for the services they provide them. Although women are more and more making themselves part of the labour market, where and how they are employed depends greatly on their gender.

Vertical gender segregation (where men tend to have a higher status and better pay) is also a massive contibutor to whether women excel. For example, when a man has a clerical job it is associated with high social status, good pay and good conditions. When a women has a clerical job is is associated with low status, poorer pay and bad conditions. The same can be said in restaurant e.g. male chef, female cook.

Horizontal gender segregation (where men and women tend to do different jobs) means that women are not encouraged to try for areas of expertise dominated by men and men are trained to believe womens' jobs are weaker. There is also less range of jobs considered 'suitable' for women than for men and neither s*x is encouraged to take up jobs considered to be dominant in one s*x or the other. Women also tend to work in the public sector which is less well paid and often have to undertake part time work so that they can fit in family life as well.

Furthermore, even when women are doing the same job, they tend to be paid less - where are the 'kind advantages' men supposedly give her?

Positions of political power as taken up by women are also greatly undermined when it comes to decision making and at the same time over represented in social positions (e.g. motherhood) meaning they are given very little oppertunity to 'excel' in social and economic status even though they clearly excel in the home.

As far as I can see, men aren't giving women any 'advantages' by taking away important decision making chances when women have the ability to make them. When women do act 'masculine' they are restricted from promotion and better pay because women are trained to resent lack of 'feminity' in other women and those men that are narrow-minded (such as yourself) don't like to be challenged.

Answer 8

To just quickly throw in the first thing that came to my mind. . . you know that saying about giving a man a fish vs. teaching a man to fish?  If all these artificial advantages have literally just been handed to women as you say, then I'd actually expect such an outcome.  I'm hungry. . . I want a fish now, please.

Whether such advantages have been handed to women singe the beginning, they're only now being handed out after female predecessors fought to get them, or nobody's ever handed out such advantages is an entirely different matter for debate.

Answer 9

I think it just goes back to they can't jump, run, throw or punch like men!

Rather inferior I'd say.

Answer 10

depends on which field

in terms of science/research women are equal to males

in terms of business/finance/politics, the competitive nature of such sectors favours individuals with a sense of fierce competition, and biologically - females are less prone to aggressive tactics to gain ground

however, i see myself as a 'new' feminist, favouring roles which are most suitable to the individual, where one should find goals to which they are skilled and suited to do, be that in either public (paid work) or private (usually domestic/care roles)

equality was more 'equal' in prehistoric times, where humans lived in small family groups, and males and females were treated equally in both patriarchal and matriarchal society

now, the terms of 'equal opportunities' is a joke - the best person should be picked for their role, with no regard to gender/race etc  

Answer 11

"Power can be taken, but not given. The process of taking is power in itself." -- Gloria Steinemm

And women continue to take power!

The poster of the question is an obvious fool.

Answer 12

Ha. Men cant even feel their way out of the womb without a woman pushing for them.

Very backward way of thinking. Sure you aren't the missing link?

Answer 13

Because once we've exercised our right to go to work and contribute financially to the household we still get to come home to clean house and take care of the children while you sit on your fat butt in front of the TV with the remote and a beer.

I think many women are just too tired.

Answer 14

I know a lot of less-attractive women who are highly ambitious and do excel in the fields they've chosen, perhaps it's because they know in the backs of their minds they can't rely on a man to support them.

On average, women do tend to be (slightly) less ambitious than men.  Whether it's learned helplessness or sheer lazyness is still up for debate.

Answer 15

Biology is destiny.

There's a whole host of evidence to suggest that men are wired to be not just better on average, but more interested in maths/sciences than women.

A good starting point for this is here:

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/math.h...

Women meanwhile, have the benefit of affirmative actions and politicians who still see women as victims. Feminism continues to paint women as such, as it affords them privilege, and power.

Whenever we have women showing less success in any area, we have people claiming discrimination. This of course is flawed, as equal opportunity is very different to equal outcome. Just because more men are scientists does not mean that women are barred from such areas.

Rated_insane said:

"Furthermore, even when women are doing the same job, they tend to be paid less"

-Then we have people like rated_insane, who still hang onto the idea that women are paid less than men for the same job. This has long been disproved, and from many sources, but a good starting point would be Warren Farrell:

http://www.warrenfarrell.com/pages.php?i...

The truth is that women have more opportunities and more power than men in this world. They have the option to stay at home with their family, while we give men the option of work or jail. When one group have the choice to work or stay at home, many will choose to stay at home, and people are still suprised when more men are achievers.

As long as men choose in greater numbers to persue careers that make more money, and are challenging, men will earn more, and win more such awards. Men's competitive spirit in these areas will drive them to succeed, but women are less likely to be as driven, even if they have a passion for a particular area.