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Why have so many been fooled int o thinking there is a problem with earth?

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the whole global warming fantasy, people did this, i do that. you cant stop it, for thousands of years people have been cut trees down (the middle east used to have large forests), hunting animals to extinction. there where so many birds in the sky darkness fell upon the land. that has been writen many times in history more resently 1800 something. earth will continue long after we have all passed on. though it will not continue indefinatly, knore will our sun. if we dont destoy ourselves before the earths natural demise as a race we will need to think of how and where we are going to live.

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  1. The Earth IS changing HOWEVER the big issue is how much is natural (okay via changes in the Sun) and man made problems.

    It prob a bit of both but the real gut wrenching thing is when you have governments, councils & manufacturers / sipermarkets trying to make the indidual feel guilty and then trying to make money out of us.


  2. I hope you understand the difference between poetic language ("birds in the sky darkness fell...") and scientific language ("the number of bird species has decline X% since YYYY").  One is entertaining and emotional and one is factual and educational.

    You are right, that human land clearing activities have greatly reduced the total forest mass of our planet, and as a result effected the carbon cycle.  Additionally, the burning of fossil fuels (brought up from under ground) have effected the carbon cycle even more.  Where you are wrong, is stating that "global warming fantasy", because the globe has been warming and the only feasible scientific explanation (and one well supported by laboratory experiments decades ago) is that the 30% increase in atmospheric CO2 (from human activity) is the cause.

    Since the earths natural demise probably isn't inevitable until the sun goes out (4 - 5 billion years in the future?), I think it would be prudent (for those of us that would like our species to continue) to not carelessly speed up that demise by another means.

  3. There is a problem with the earth - there are simply too many of us!

    BUT!

    The Governments of the World use the 'Carbon Footprint' idea simply to raise taxes. They DO NOT employ the money so raised to reduce carbon emissions just to spend on wars and self.

    It is noticeable that the increases are enough to give them more money but not to reduce consumption

    BTW Have you noticed that the interest on Goverment borrowing uses some 80% of their ongoing borrowing.

    They are 'Credit Card Junkies'.

    RoyS

  4. there is no global warming its a myth.

    there isn't less ice in the north and south poles.

    it's just the ice is hiding.

    as liquid.

    in the sea.

    that al gore huh??  nasty piece of work dreamt up gobal warming to raise taxes he paid scientists to fake reports then paid off the scientists who peer reviewed the evidence to claim it was real.

    oh yes its all a fat lie.

  5. Because they're stupid.

  6. You know we have done hundreds of things wrong for thousands of years.  Just think the dark ages.  But until now the human species has not had the ability to dramatically affect the environment we live in.  Yes I will agree that there many alarmist out there saying the world will heat up and we will all die.  And others that say the increase in heat will cause the oceans to evaporate and block out the sun and the world will freeze.  What it really boils down to for me at least is I want to live some where nice where energy is cheap and renewable.  I want the air to smell clean and to know that our civilization will be around for thousands of years to come.

  7. I haven't been fooled into anything.  I am a highly educated person that reads a lot and can judge for myself the problems that Earth faces.  

    Ken-you are brilliant!

    BTW-YA does have spell check.

  8. The Vast majority of scientific opinion is in agreement that it is Humankind's footprint that has brought about a perceptible shift in the natural balance, which is the global ecosystem.

    It is no coincidence that as the globalisation of industrialised developments gathers pace fuelled by unprecedented technological advances, global warming increases exponentially!

    And with former stagnant developing countries coming on track, like China, India and Russia, this has exacerbated the situation further.

    It is the historical innovative usage of the finite resource (petroleum) coupled with rapid development and change in land usage that has brought this monumental problem to our door.

    There is a clear correlation between exponential fossil fuel usage, and global carbon emission levels, which are a major global warming driving force.

    Sadly, the very resource that fuels our global growth enhances the greenhouse effect that exacerbates global warming. We are caught in a desperate loop, a user cycle.

    Practically every aspect of our lives involves using resource that pollutes. We are addicted to pollutants, like the smoker who has been told to cut  the habit or it will be terminal, we promise to cut down, and then we relapse through lack of willpower, and clear understanding.

    So as we approach crunch time, we look to the bridge for clear decisive action.

    But no such action will be taken, because of radical uncertainty that permeates the whole debate on global climate change, at best there in no one on the bridge, and those that are raising the alarm are failing to relay damage assessment to a captain that is beset by problems, that makes those of a floundering ship seem trivial.

    Putting long-term sustainable renewable resource measures in place may be the last act for a desperate planet, but it should be the number one priority for all nations.

    It will take a global coalition of consensus to bring about clear decisive structured plans for the mitigation of global warming.

    We can no longer squander our inheritance on the promise of a brighter future; we owe a legacy of sustainability to those that follow.

    http://www.philipclarkson.blogspot.com/

  9. "Why have so many been fooled into thinking there is a problem with earth?"

    Its because they choose to blindly follow those who have taken and twisted "selective" research in order to secure jobs, get money, fundings, paychecks from special interest groups, political groups, stockholders and governmental fundings.  

    If those same people would take the time to look into and read the unbiased and complete research regarding the "man made" global warming farce that was done by a "non-profit" group that isn't accountable to any  "special group" like those above, for their jobs or pay....they would no longer believe the c**p they have been fed and perhaps they could spread the "truth" about the "inconvenient lie".

    http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

    We are experiencing a NATURAL CYLCE of the Earth..nothing more and there are over 19,000 SCIENTISTS who also believe that "man made" global warming is a farce because they have looked at the "TOTAL" picture and not selective pieces to fit "their agendas".

  10. Unfortunately, the sun's not responsible for global warming:

    (From Yahoo News back in December last year)

    'PARIS (AFP) - Scientists on Wednesday said that the rise in global temperatures that has been detected over the past two decades cannot be blamed on the Sun, a theory espoused by climate-change sceptics.

    British and Swiss researchers looked at data for radiation from the Sun, levels of which can cool or warm our planet's atmosphere.

    They factored in a cycle which solar radiation goes through peaks and troughs of activity over a period of about 11 years.

    Writing in Proceedings of the Royal Society A, a journal of Britain's de-facto academy of sciences, the team said that the Sun had been less active since 1985, even though global temperatures have continued to rise.

    "Over the past 20 years, all the trends in the Sun that could have had an influence on the Earth's climate have been in the opposite direction to that required to explain the observed rise in global mean temperatures," they write.

    The study is co-authored by Mike Lockwood of Britain's Rutherford Appleton Laboratory and Claus Froehlich of the World Radiation Centre in Switzerland.

    The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that human activity is to blame for the rise in global temperatures. In its latest report, issued this year, the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said that this warming is already affecting the climate system.

    Since 1900, the mean global atmospheric temperature has risen by 0.8 C (1.44 F), and the sea level by 10-20 centimetres (four to eight inches).

    Levels of carbon dioxide (CO2), the main greenhouse gas, have risen by around a third since the Industrial Revolution and are now at their highest in 650,000 years. Eleven of the past 12 years rank among the dozen warmest years on record.

    In the past few years, glaciers and snow and ice cover have fallen back sharply in alpine regions, the edges of the Greenland icesheet and on the Antarctic peninsula have shrunk, Arctic summer sea ice has thinned and retreated and Siberian and Canadian permafrost have shown signs of thaw and fallback.'

    I say unfortunately, because I'd like to believe global warming isn't caused by humankind's pumping of vast amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, but all the reliable data points to that being the prime cause. The 'research' provided by those scientists who believe global warming is a myth is very often funded by oil companies, and the scientists who publish it are very much in a minority compared to those who subscribe to GW being real and caused by humankind.

  11. to true     these people are just using us to  get more and more money out of us      and like mugs   we pay  and pay and pay

  12. Who are these arrogant people who think mankind is more power full than nature.

  13. Because that's what the scientific data says.

    "I wasn’t convinced by a person or any interest group—it was the data that got me. I was utterly convinced of this connection between the burning of fossil fuels and climate change. And I was convinced that if we didn’t do something about this, we would be in deep trouble.”

    Vice Admiral Richard H. Truly, USN (Ret.)

    Former NASA Administrator, Shuttle Astronaut

  14. While I am not crazy about believing everything I hear in the media, until someone shows me a better way, then it's all I've got, and all I've heard over the past couple of years is that we are slowly destroying our planet.

    Now as you've stated, it may not be as quickly as the doomsdayers predict, but you have to consider that it may not be as far off as you think eiher.  Our population is ever increasing, and lets face it, this planet is only capable of supporting so many human beings before it just falls off balance and we can't supply enough food to feed all the hungry mouths.  I think the same theory holds true for this planet.

    We can only emit so many greenhouse gases.  We can only catch so many fish.  We can only pollute the ocean so much, and so on and so on.

    Just keep in mind, there is a limit to everything.

  15. Green lobbyists are the new church, and new sins are formulated to generate tax for older sins such as greed.

  16. The earth itself will go on, it's just becoming gradually less and less habitable to humans and other life forms. As a human, of course I care about this. As a conscientious human, of course I don't want to contribute any more to it than I absolutely must. Even if you don't fully believe in global warming, it doesn't make sense to run around like an idiot rock star, trashing your hotel room just because you think you can.

  17. jk - found the same site I did, which shows that GW is a fantasy.  It is more politically motivated than backed up by hard science.  The GW scientists had to doctor the figures and use inaccurate data to make their theory work.

    Deforestation and the herding of goats go hand in hand.  Kill the goat herds and plant trees.  Without goats to eat the young trees you will get forests, with forests more rain and the ability to raise different animals that will not eat the trees.

    New species arise from the old ones, so there will be new ones, but we should at least attempt to preserve those we can without losing our common sense and destroying people to do it.  The universe is so vast that in time Man can take many species with him to live on other planets.  We can leave behind fleas, lice, mosquitoes and such and take as many of the useful or non-vermin creatures as possible and so preserve them.

  18. There will always be those who fall for the 'doom and gloom, the Earth is ending' fears.  Global warming is just the newest scam in the long list of these fears.

    SARS, AIDS, Y2K, Nuclear winter, China Syndrome, killer bees are just a few of the recent fear-mongering that are now forgotten about.   Soon global warming will also be a thing of the past, forgotten about, and the believers will deny they ever believed it in the first place.

  19. There's people "fooled" on either side.

    The vast majority of people on this "debate" don't actually look at the science.

    Of course the eart gets warm and cool and will survive, but will we? We might, but it won't be easy. The longer we kid ourselves that "its all natural, its nothing to worry about", the harder it'll be to survive when it all goes to pot.

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