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Why if this would happen TODAY the Christians would think it was insane, BUT ?

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They justify it when it is in the bible?

If we are supposed to get an example from the bible, that is what they say, the bible is Holy and perfect, why then if a person today that says" God told me to kill my son, like Abraham was asked to, you would think he was insane, but Abraham was not?

How can you justify HIS CHILD ABUSE?

I am just curious to understand why Christians don't see this as child and animal abuse and evil?

The story of Abraham ready to kill his son Isaac in a sacrifice as a test of his faith, but at the end an angel shows up and says"just kidding, burn an animal instead".

1. Only an evil God would ask to kill a son, even if at the end Abraham did not carry that out , the fact of ASKING TO KILL is wrong and EVIL.

2. The father willing to kill his own son is evil.

3. God orders to KILL an animal instead.

Even if you can rationalize all this sick stuff, do you take in consideration the psychological state of the child that was about to be executed, a child with a knife on his throat ready to be slaughtered?

How can you not see how wrong that is?

If someone , TODAY, will say to you "God asked me to kill my son", and he was ready to do it with a knife , would you think he was CRAZY? Of course you would, why then do you accept a biblical God and father like Abraham that was about to kill his own son?.

Why don't you see how wrong that is, that is CHILD ABUSE?.

He had to burn an animal as a sacrifice, that 's animal abuse as well.

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  1. Finally, someone who thinks like I think.  I absolutly agree.  I must say anyone who orders me to do something in the name of religion should do it to themselves as I am really not interested.

    Thanks, I am glad I am not alone in my thinking!!!


  2. First off, this is a Jewish teaching from the Torah (which is also included in the Holy Bible).  Abraham was doing as God had instructed him.  He was being tested.  But the angel of God did not let him go through with it.  God wanted to discover man's devotion.

  3. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe."

  4. One has to look at the entire story of Abraham for it to make sense. There was this huge time of waiting for the fulfillment of God’s promise to him (fulfilled in the birth of Isaac), then God asks Abraham to sacrifice Isaac as a burnt offering. In the Bible’s account of the story, we cannot see into Abraham’s emotional state so we can't see into Abraham’s (or Isaac's!) internal reaction to what he has been asked to do. What is he thinking as he walks up the mountain? Is he quietly assured that, although he was asked to do this terrible thing, yet he will not have to? Is he quietly trusting – or inwardly distraught? It is impossible to tell from the Bible version of the story. We are given no clues.

    One point of the story is that we have to ask ourselves a lot of questions. How can we be sure we have correctly discerned God's will? Could God sometimes ask us to do something that goes beyond the bounds of what we generally regard as "ethical"? Do faith and ethics always correspond -- or not? Is it better to live ethically, or to be what philosopher Kierkegaard calls a "knight of faith"? Or would God never actually ask us to do something that goes against the ethical? These are hugely important questions.

    At the last minute, it turns out that Abraham does not have to sacrifice Isaac after all. (Faith and the ethical come back together.) The Lord is very pleased with Abraham. Since Isaac is allowed to live, the rest of the promise now has a chance to be fulfilled.  

  5.    Some will tell you, that it's justifyible because times were different then, and that doesn't apply today. My response to that then is how does anything in the bible apply to today?

  6. The mind of a Christian is a warped mind.

  7. Because they are mentally deranged, that's why.

  8. Multitudes of pagan gods required atonement through sacrifice so these requirements were naturally associated with the creator of the universe. The god of the old testament was described as a wrathful, jealous creature that defies the description of love as it exists in the new.  Clearly, human attributes were given to him to make him more understandable and fit the way of life as it existed then.  

    It defies reason why a creator would require a sacrifice from his creation, in any form.


  9. That is one of the main problems with religion. If someone devoutly believes that which is written in a book is the word of god, they will suspend their own common sense and natural sense of morality where it conflicts with the book.  The same person would otherwise be able to determine for themselves what was right and just. Many religious people are good and do want to live a good life, but at the same time there will be things in their religion which are unfair and blatantly wrong.

    Although atheists such as myself don't believe in any deities, the real question is why, if you believe in god, would you not question the validity of the bible when it conflicts with what you must know as a human being is right?  Why don't they make these moral judgements for themselves and come to the conclusion that assuming there is a god, he could not have inspired those words and endorse those behaviours, that the book was written by ordinary, flawed human beings who were trying to guess from their own experience and cultures, what such a god might want or advocate?

    This is the type of thing we mean when we say religion can stop people from thinking for themselves, it's not just all about science and evolution, it applies to moral and spiritual matters as well.

  10. God asks Abraham to kill his son for a couple of reasons.  First, He was testing Abraham's obedience.  I know it's drastic to test it in this way, but Abraham would become the patriach of millions of descendants.  God wanted to know that He was faithful and obedient.

    Second, the story of Isaac's sacrifice is an exact analogy of what God did for us.  First, Abraham was to kill Isaac. God saw his obedience and provided a ram instead to be sacrificed.  This is the analogy of the death we deserve for our sins.  Because God loves us and is full of grace, He provided a perfect lamb for us (Christ) so that we wouldn't have to die eternally.

    So even though it's a harsh story, God knew that Abraham would be up for the task of laying his whole life down for God.  We also have this story for thousands of years to remind us of God's great sacrifice for us.

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