Why is the US *****ing so much about the tie-breaking procedure for the women's uneven bars in gymnastics?

Question

It seems pretty straightforward to me.

Answer 1

Because the procedure is stupid. That's pretty straightforward

Answer 2

you really wanna know why the US is bitching about the judging in the Olympics? in particular against our women gymnasts? Tonight should have given you enough insight on that matter, whenever Chaing Kai Shek crossed on her landing,and had to plant another step, and Nastia Liukin landed (not only a better performance on the uneven bars) a perfect landing...yet the scores were the same? Ok that's F'ed up enough to begin with, but to say that the judges ruled in her favor on top of that? THAT"S MAJORLY F"ED UP!!!!!  

Answer 3

Because China won a gold medal because of some tricky number thing instead of talent. They were tied. They should both get gold, that system hold noooo merit.

Answer 4

Its not the tiebreaker.  Its the fckued up judging.  

Ever wonder why China can't win in track and field?  No judges.

Answer 5

the nbc commenters suck so bad they should fire all of them. biased to the max.  Any way i think Yang should have gotten gold then He, but then again luikin would get bronze, and more americans would whine

Answer 6

The problem with the tie breaking procedure is that it throws out the next lowest score, which is mathematically all screwed up.  The reason is simple.  The competitor that received the worst score in a category, or whatever, has the advantage because that competitor will have the least amount of points deducted from their total.  That makes no sense whatsoever.

If they also threw out the next highest score, that might even things up a bit, but it still makes no sense because the number of individual scores is reduced, and that creates a higher statistical variation in the total score.

The scoring process is flawed and they need to change it.  It makes very little sense to let a flawed mathematical proceedure break a tie.  They don't do that in football, baseball, basketball, and other sports, so why do it in gymnastics?  If two or more athletes are tied, let them face off in a tie breaker routine.  That's the only fair way.... not by manipulating the scores in a way that has no sound mathematical basis.

Answer 7

It's the fact that the Chinese girl had more errors than the American girl yet they somehow manage the same score (way to sleep through it Australia).  The tie-breaking system is easy to understand but it isn't fair.  No matter what the two countries are, the tie breaking system in gymnastics is cheap.  They completely screwed up the gymnastics scoring.  BUT it shouldn't have been a tie in the first place.  The American did an obviously better performance.    

Answer 8

No, it isn't.  Running is based on best times, gymnastics is in the hands of judges who sometimes don't know how to score (no country can judge their own people, but other countries may have never judged someone who does better than their own so they don't know how to score them).

Answer 9

Because they are sore losers

Answer 10

I agree!   but it may have been confusing because NBC is the worst coverage ever and thier commentators are horrible and biased. I watched it on CBC (canadian) and it was very clear

Answer 11

Cheshire --- it rhymes with itching.

And I believe the frustration comes more over the scoring in general since it is commonly believed that Nastia gave a better performance so the Chinese gymnast should have had such a high score to begin with. Additionally, she is at the height of the age battle over whether the Chinese gymnasts meet the age requirements to compete anyways. AND, we just got the bad end of the stick in vault from the Chinese getting undeserved scores as well as Cheng FELL and received a higher score than Alicia Sacramone. I guess that's what you get for choosing to compete in a sport that is measured in a very subjective way.

It doesn't seem like the new rules are very clear or fair though.  

Answer 12

If it were straight forward, there wouldn't be any confusion, obviously.

Answer 13

Confusion is made by those NBC @ssholes who is bias and their commentator is full of s*it.

[[Jeff in Dallas]] How many Black Athletes has been representing US in Track and Field? Without them; US wouldn't even succeed in running.

Answer 14

It's straight forward but it's stupid.

@Jeff "Ever wonder why China can't win in track and field? No judges."

They're also winning in archery, shooting, table tennis, and weightlifting too - no judges in those events either.

Answer 15

You would think, but I honestly feel like I'm one of the few Americans that doesn't really care about it.

Answer 16

The tie breaking procedure was based on eliminating the next lowest score in the competition. Had the procedure been based on knocking out the next highest score in the competition; the results would have been different.

  

Answer 17

Jeff in Dallas, the reason why China can't win track and field is because Chinese people don't have the body types for track and field.  That's why most track and field athletes are black because they have the bodies for it.  However, Liu Xiang is an exception and he excells.  This is not because of a lack of judges.  And like MCL said, table tennis, weight lifting, etc. don't have judges and China still dominates.

People are complaining about the tie-breaking procedure because it's so rarely used that many people are learning it for the first time, but I agree with you it's very straight forward.  You just take away the highest score, and the two lowest score and bam you have your winner.

Answer 18

It is straight forward but unfortunately there are a lot of people sitting on couches watching that have no idea about the sport that speak out like they are professionals

Answer 19

Agreed. Even though I'm wondering what the asterisk stand for now...

Edit: I watched it on CBC (Canadian) and so it made a lot of sense. I could be the commentators in NBC.

Answer 20

It seems like Nastia's routine was better, and she got stuck with silver. And even so, if the two girls scored exactly the same, they should get the same medal. The tie-breaking procedure is pretty pathetic if you ask me. It doesnt seem professional at all, to just discard scores like that. And the judging sucked too.

Answer 21

Apparently you weren't watching the competition.  Go back to playing your computer games.

Answer 22

It's straightforward, but it's unfair.  I'm not a fan of gymnastics, and with the scoring nonsense, I don't want to be.  Basically, when a gymnast is scored, they compile a bunch of scores, then throw out the extremes.  So, with enough scores, an average would be fair.  For the tiebreaker, they throw out the next lowest, which means that you have essentially given up on the law of averages, and end up deciding the winner by one person's score.  

I don't think people are bitching about the result as much as they're bitching about the system, and they very well should.

Answer 23

Because the tiebreaking procedure isn't widely known, and also because the Liukin experience with tiebreakers is that both athletes get the gold. That's what happened to Valeri Liukin when he was in that situation in his Olympics.

It wasn't b****ing, it was confusion over procedure.

Answer 24

because the procedure is ridiculous. to decide who wins gold by having random judges score avg is ridiculous. and it may not be the same 3 judges used for both gymnasts so its really luck on who gets the lenient judges.  

Answer 25

First of all its the olympics you dont have ties you pick which one was better and score them higher and second It was a dumb way of breaking the tie..