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Why isn't carbon tax a rediculous idea?

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Independant business's will suffer very greatly from this and there will be no competition for the big leagues and they'll jump the prices up until were all f'ed up the ****. If you wanted to start a business theres already enough dam tax on you because you make more money then the average person(Because you do more work then the average person starting up the business not to mention the risk and the chances of bieng succesful) Don't be an **** and force more taxes on people for doing their jobs!

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  1. Companies that will have to pay it pass it along to the consumer.  Get ready for prices of just about everything to go up a lot.  The tax collected can in no way battle global warming, because it's nothing that man contributed to.


  2. Here in Canada,one of the political hopefuls is trying to sell just that.He claims that it would be revenue neutral.But do the math.

    If I need say,20 percent on the dollar to show a profit anything costing me $1.00 will cost you $1.20.

    If the government charges me 20 percent carbon tax (actual figure purposed) I still need my profit.So your cost just went up to $1.44.

    Even if the government gives back the 20 cents it took from me,and gives it back to you (as promised) you are now short 4 cents.

    Or $4 dollars.Or $400.Or.....

  3. ill answer your rant with a question. should you pay for what you use?

    should i pay for using the roads? if so then why shouldn't i pay for "using" the atmosphere? because currently although you will be putting the co2 up there its everyone that will have to pay for it later on.

    BTW Charles M unless you plan on eating coal or drinking oil all the co2 you breath out came from the atmosphere. the net effect being zero.

  4. A carbon tax is not ridiculous, it is stupid.  Even if you buy into the whole AGW nonsense, a carbon tax will cause inflation, will ship even more jobs overseas, and will adversely affect the US economy and the economy of those who implement a carbon tax.  

    Inflation - A carbon tax that is assessed on businesses will be passed on to the consumer.  

    Job Loss - Countries such as China and India will not implement a carbon tax, and would not be honest about it anyway.  China already has a comparative advantage over the US in labor costs, as does India (and most other countries).  A carbon tax will push even more American businesses overseas, where they will be able to enjoy a lower wage structure, and a less hostile tax environment.

    Tax credits and incentives will be far more effective in getting businesses to go green.  In case anyone hasn't noticed, US companies are voluntarily reducing CO2 emissions, and finding innovative new renewable energy sources.

    Taxing people into submission is completely un-American.  Despite the greens desire to control our economy and the way we live, we are not socialists.

  5. I can just see everybody walking down the street with Co2 measuring devices to tax the amount of carbon they exhale every day. Will there be a black market in devices to roll back the carbon meters. What will they do if you do not pay the carbon tax on what you exhale?

  6. It is not a ridiculous idea if it is coupled with a reduction in other taxes such as:

    VAT (aka Sales Tax)

    or Income Tax.

  7. I favor a hydrogen tax myself.  It's past time that hydrogen atoms should be paying their fair share.  I like a boron tax too.  Maybe a silicon tax.

    All of these ideas are just as absurd as a carbon tax.

  8. When any (necessity) is taxed, your looking at a ripoff.  

  9. I guess the point is that you can pay for a carbon tax or you can pay other much higher taxes to fix all the problems that global warming will cause. If a carbon tax is enforced it should be a an assessment of the damage being done to the environment caused by that amount of carbon released.  Maybe you would understand it better if it was called a "fine" for polluting rather than a tax.

    If someone pollutes a river by dumping sulfuric acid into it should they not have to pay a fine because it might cause them to suffer? Of course not, and preventing pollution is just a cost of doing business, like any other business cost.

  10. To answer your question:

    Carbon tax isn't a ridiculous idea because it is a good idea...

    Carbon tax is basically a user fee or tax. We charge people for using roads (annual registration fees), we charge people for using buses (tickets), we charge people for putting out fires (municipal taxes)... all of these things (and many more) are charged for in one way or another because they cost money to provide or maintain.

    To maintain or provide a clean, useful living space will cost money. People who dirty or worsen that clean, useful living space should pay to have it cleaned up and/or maintanined: Carbon tax.

    This is actuallt simple free market economics and basic capitalism - something the USA prides itself on yet for some reason, in this case, the USA tends to be the biggest objector!

    Objecting to paying for what you consume - thinking that carbon taxes are a ridiculous idea - is contrary to free market principles and tantamount to becoming communist - I had no idea you were a communist, Michael!

  11. It is Ridiculous!


  12. It is a rediculous idea

  13. the uses who are damaging the environment would be better fined for their pollution. At least then it's not seen as something they can simply pay to exploit, via another TAX  

  14. Climate change is a money and power grab scheme by the bottom feeder politicians and power brokers. It's nothing to do with ecology and everything to do with money.

    Con artist and politicians (here unnamed, but you may call him "Mr. Environment") have enriched themselves on this issue, taking home Oscars, Nobel Prizes and millions of dollars. Meanwhile, evangelical leaders are setting up their flocks for extreme fleecing by leftist politicos who will speak with great charm in the appeal for Christian votes by talking in glowing, biblical-sounding terms about "being good stewards of God's creation."

    Here is truth about global warming:

    Global warming is one-half of the climatic cycle of warming and cooling.

    The earth's mean temperature cycles around the freezing point of water.

    This is a completely natural phenomenon which has been going on since there has been water on this planet. It is driven by the sun.

    Our planet is currently emerging from a 'mini ice age', so is

    becoming warmer and may return to the point at which Greenland is again usable as farmland (as it has been in recorded history).

    As the polar ice caps decrease, the amount of fresh water mixing with oceanic water will slow and perhaps stop the thermohaline cycle (the oceanic heat 'conveyor' which, among other things, keeps the U.S. east coast warm).

    When this cycle slows/stops, the planet will cool again and begin to enter another ice age.

    It's been happening for millions of years.

    The worrisome and brutal predictions of drastic climate effects are based on computer models, NOT CLIMATE HISTORY.

    As you probably know, computer models are not the most reliable of sources, especially when used to 'predict' chaotic systems such as weather.

    Global warming/cooling, AKA 'climate change':

    Humans did not cause it.

    Humans cannot stop it.

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