Without swearing, can the wahabis please explain to me why they hate s**+'ites and are happy to kill them?

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Without swearing, can the wahabis please explain to me why the hate s**+'ites and are happy to kill them?

Please do not call s**+'ites Jews or some other term that you deem an insult. I am asking to understand in terms of your own understanding of religious doctrine. So if you can refer to the Hadith and/or Qu'ran I would be most appreciative.

I am a s**+'ite and am aware of the differences between the Wahabis and s**+'ites (I am referring to the form of s**+'a which has its centres in Najaf, IRaq and Qom in Iran - so no Bohari and Ismaili or any other group that tends to get lumped together).

If you point out the problems with the s**+'ites I will happily try to clarify if possible.

Please do not post stupid comments about misyar and mutaa. The sunnis say mutaa is a prostitution where all sunnis scholars NEVER denied that it is in the Quran and the prophet allowed it , How can Allah and the prophet allow prostitusion ?!!

Some Shiites to support their mutaa are saying misyar is haram , where if one compared mutaa to mysiar he may accuse mutaa of prostitution not mysiar .

Mutaa in the Quran was NEVER in details , God never said marry them for half an hour or marry them with the intention to divorce them, if one read all the verses about marriage it always referring to it to be with the intention to be chaste and not to fool around not to make it as a game, not to take them as mistresses and to fulfill your desires in a lawful way .

When the prophet allowed it during war it was an exception , so permanent marriage is the rule in Islam and mutaa is the exception . I still can't fathom how can sunnis say the prophet peace be upon him forbidden it . If he has foridden it why it was done during the days of caliph Abu Bakr and Umar , and how can the prophet peace be upon him forbid something in the Quran , if that was true then I would say that the prophet didn't interpret the verse as mutaa but as permanent marriage and he allowed it as an exception during the war and banned it so it won't be the rule.

And God knows the best.

Answer 1

Killing is Haram in Islam.

So i don't think they will be happy going to jahanam.

CZ in Islam killing a peaceful person leads to Jahanam

Answer 2

Now youRaafidah call Muslims a wahabis which is an Insult and ask us to not Insult you are you stupid or something???

and No as Muslims we don't kill and we don't have any thing in our religion Islam says to kill Raafidah... so go lie somewhere else or bring me a Prove..

i don't hate you

but i hate your religion Rafidhism(shiaism) the religion of Hate you know why?

read you religion

which all anti-islam religion

I'm not talking about changing Islam and modified it...

and bida'ah or shirk or kufer stuff

I'm talkin about your dirty religion which is based on lies and insults and curses

i didn't see any so called religion in this world based on insulting

like shiaism

d**n they can't be a Raafidah(shia) if they don't curse and insult wives and friends of the prophet.

how dare are you?

see here even a anti-islam guy brought your salat and show that Muslims hate each other but the real is shia hate Islam and started it

watch it

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=aiwEBkrMR0...

now he cut a real shia prayer where they curse and insult the great Muslims like wives and friends of the prophet ..

which who i love them more than my parents so see that if you called my mom a bad name i will kick your ***

what about the mother of believers ???

no Muslims or what you called wahabis exposed your religion

but they didn't say go and kill them they didn't issue fataws to kill you

if they did we won't see any shia today.

but in the other side we saw the gran shia ayatolla now or before they issued fatwas to kill muslims(sunni wahabi nawasibi)

they use another word by their taqqiya

now the ayatoshaitan Khomeini issued a Fatwa which says Muslim blood and moeny is Halal for shia so to steal their money and kill them is Halal

Shirazi said it's wajib to kill Muslim(wahabis  or what ever he said)

and he said they are more dirty than dogs

you can watch it here the second part

and the first for one of sadar militia which

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=PGSc-K3Lxv...

and during History the same show us that shias always turn on Muslims and kill them when anyone invade Muslim countries

you have a evidence for what happened when Tatars invade Iraq ..

or what happened when Khomeini took the charge when he killed many Muslims and closed their Masjids and his laws still till now and there is no single Muslim(sunni) Masjid in Tehran ..

the same happen in the civil war of lebanon when Amal Militia and the shias United with LF Christians and the Jews to Kill Muslim sunni (Lebanese and Palestinians)

the same happened now when Hizbullat killed many Muslims (sunni) few Months ago when he invade western Beirut .

the same happened in Iraq since the first day when USA nvade Iraq shias started to kill Muslims sunni not the invaders !!

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i'm not talking about you religion which is not Islam you can chek bihar al anwar or al kafi the most shia hadit and saying book 99% on their Imams and imammte

in simple word

Shiaims is not Islam

and Islam is not shiaism

note:

Raafidah = Shiits

btw i challenge you to bring me a wahabi(as you said)scholar or a wahabi fatawa says to kill shias !!

Answer 3

I don't have an answer for you, I truly can't understand the minds of some of these haters.

Answer 4

there are no differences between any religion, they are all brainwashing cults based on magic.

Answer 5

Salam brother Ahmad,

I can understand the points you are making about Shiism, I was raised and grew up among Shias. One thing I would like to point out before I answer any of your questions, Wahhabis are very conservative Sunnis. They did not coin the term "Wahhabi" for themselves, rather it was given to them because of the preaching Muhammad Ibn AbdulWahhab did to bring people back to the Sunnah, they are not a new "sect" or teach anything besides what is based on the Quran and the Sunni view of the Quran.

Now, not all Wahhabis hate and want to kill Shias. On the contrary, there are many Wahhabis who have Shia friends, it would be wrong to assume that ALL Wahhabis want to do is hate and kill Shias. Let's disregard any Hadiths for the moment and go straight to the source, the Quran. Can you please provide the verse pertaining to Mut3a you are referring to so I can explain it for you?

I know the biggest factor that leads to the problem between Sunni and Shia is the Imamate and the Ahlul-Bayt. The mere fact that the majority of Shias not only disregard, but lower the statuses and curse the prophet's wives (Aisha and Hafsa) and the caliphs (AbuBakr and Umar) awes Sunnis. The Ahlul-Bayt according to the Shia belief are the following: Ali Ibn Abi Talib, Fatima Az-Zahraa, Hussain Ibn Ali, Hassan Ibn Ali, Zain Al-Abidein, Al-Baqir, Al-Sadiq, Al-Kathim, Al-Ridha, Al-Taqi, Al-Hadi, Al-Askari and the promised Mahadi: Muhammad ibn Hassan Al-Askari.

The Ahlul-Bayt are given higher statuses than any other after that of the prophet Muhammad. They are said to be error and sin free, that they are pure. Now, may I ask, what defines who falls under the category of Ahlul-Bayt in the Shia belief? And in the Quran, where does it state that the Ahlul-Bayt are pure?

After you have answered those questions, I will have follow up ones if you don't mind. This is just to clear things out for you to understand why Wahhabis (Sunnis) think the way they do.

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My response to your points:

- Surah 2, verse 236

"You bear no sin if you divorce your wives so long as you haven't had (sexual) contact (with them)..."

- Surah 33, Verse 52

"It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and God doth watch over all things."

- Surah 4, Verse 3

"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice."

- Surah 4, Verse 129

"Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practise self-restraint, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

According to both Sunni and Shia, divorce is the most detestable towards Allah and is condemned in the Quran. When marriage is mentioned in verses 2:37, 2:231, 2:232, 2:236, 33:49, 65:1,66:5 - so is divorce. A man who marries a chaste woman and wants to leave her, he must first divorce her. In Mut3a, one must pay the set amount of money for a period of time (can be as little as thirty minutes or more than thirty years). There is no divorce process, no inheritance, and no duties towards one another. The only two laws are that: 1. the man provides support for the child in case the woman is pregnant; 2. the woman waits for a period of 45 days before she enters into another Mut3a or gets married (a man can have an immediate Mut3a after the previous contract term has ended).

According to Shia beliefs, Mut3a can be done if the need of committing adultery exists and the person cannot do Nikah. There are no limits to how many times one can do Mut3a (except the 45 day period woman must wait before entering the next), and there is no need for the parent's permission or the presence of witnesses. Though, it is agreed upon most Shias that they must do the contract in the presence of an Imam. This conflicts with:

- Surah 2, Verse 228

"The divorced women shall wait three menstruations (before marrying another man)..."

This proves that the Mut3a does not follow the rules in the case of divorce, or the marriage afterwords. In Shia narrations (Mustadrak-Alwasaa'il - volume 7, book 3, page 506, number 8762) states that the Muhammad (pbuh) said to let those those who are unable to marry to fast, for his Ummah's (Nation's) protection is fasting. This Hadith also conflicts with the belief that teh Mut3a becomes lawful if one feels tthe need to commit adultury and cannot do Nikah. In another Hadith (Behar Al-Anwaar, Volume 14, page 327, number 50:21) states that Imam Ali has said to seek protection from (desire of) women by fasting. This also contradicts Mut3a and it's conditions.

As for tthe term Mut3a, it refers to "temporary marriage".

- Surah Al-Nisaa [4:24] - Key word: Estamta3a.

“…so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed…”

The word Estamta3a (v) comes from the same root word as Mut3a (verbal noun meaning: enjoyment / pleasure).

The correct translation based on the verse is:"... So for the enjoyment/pleasure you have already had from them give them their dowry, as a duty..."

- Surah 70, Verse 29-31

"And those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and their slave girls – for they are not to be blamed. But those who trespass beyond this are the ones who are transgressors"

It is clear the the Mut3a does not fall under either category of a "wife" or a "slave girl", rather the term "enjoyment/pleasure). Therefore, the previous translation of (4:24) is conflicting with the terms used for whom is permissible for marriage "wife" and "slave girl".

The Hadiths you quoted from Bukhari stating that Mut3a was allowed twice in the prophets time were previous to the final ruling (as in Shia sources):

It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allaah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.”

Narrated by Muslim, 1406.

t was narrated from ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3979; Muslim, 1407.

As the consumption of alcohol and gambling, Mut3a was later prohibited by Muhammad (pbuh) in the narrations by Ali.

Referring to the Ahlul-Bayt, the Quran clearly states that the wives of the prophet are of Ahlul-Bayt, without the exception of Hafsa and Aisha:

[33:32] O wives of the prophet, you are not the same as any other women, if you observe righteousness. (You have a greater responsibility.) Therefore, you shall not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their hearts may get the wrong ideas; you shall speak only righteousness.

[33:33] You shall settle down in your homes, and do not mingle with the people excessively, like you used to do in the old days of ignorance. You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and obey GOD and His messenger. GOD wishes to remove all unholiness from you, O Ahlul-Bayt, and to purify you completely.

Verse 33:33 is almost always taken out of context to show the purity of Alhlul-Bayt. When bringing the previous verse and reading it in context, the verse clearly refers to the "wives" of the prophet as Ahlul-Bayt. No exceptions with Aisha and Hafsa as in Shia sources.

Answer 6

As for the Hate aspect:

We hate that which contradicts the Qur'aan and Sunnah. And it's not the minor issues such as Mut'ah which we hate the Rawaafidh for. It is for the Shirk that is contained in the belief of Imaamiyyah, the Shirk of the belief of al-Bada' and the shirk in the belief of the tahreef of the Qur'aan and the Kufr of making takfeer of the Sahaabah and many other issues with their beliefs.

It's not that Ahlus Sunnah have hate for the Shee'ah because they are Iraaqis or that they venerate Ahlul Bayt. Rather it's the Rafdh which we hate, the rejection of the Sahaabah and the making Takfeer of them.

Imaam Aboo Bakr al-Khallaal mentioned in his Sunnah (2/557) from Abee Bakr al-Maaroodhee who reported that Maalik bin Anas said:

الذي يشتم أصحاب النبي  ÃƒÂ˜Ã‚µÃ™Â„ى الله عليه وسلم  ÃƒÂ™Ã‚„يس لهم سهم أو قال نصيب في الإسلام

((The one who reviles the Companions of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) does not have any share or portion in Islaam))

And as for killing them:

Then we rather give da'wah to them. But as for those who fight us and raise the sword against us like they tried to do to Shaykh 'Alee al Hudhayfee and like how they tried to do it to Shaykh Muqbil bin Haadee and how they did it with Shaykh Ihsaan Illaahi and other than them... then those people if they remain upon Kufr and Shirk we ask Allaah to guide them or break their backs.  

Answer 7

Can't you just stop all these hate questions? I think everyone would go along a lot better without them.

Peace

Atheist

Answer 8

People hate the things that they do not understand.

Answer 9

I tell you why some of you Shia's curse  the Sahaba etc and make really really sick remarks, I can't believe actually Muslims would utter things as such. I don't hate but I only dislike those who curse etc.

Sorry but I never once said I want to kill them where did you get that point from....?

Answer 10

Holy Prophet (s) saying,

"To remove mutual enmity, ill-feeling and hatred is better than recommended prayers and fasting".