Wondering about California legal ar-15?

Question

I have already bought my OLL reciever, so now I'm trying to figure out how I want to build my Cali legal AR. I'm planning on getting the monster man grip so I can have a detachable clip. I'm unsure of what upper reciever assemblies are available to me with this build. I'm thinking about getting this one http://www.riflegear.com/p-206-cmmg-16-specter-upper.aspx but I'm not sure if it counts as having a flash supressor. If I get this upper reciever assembly will that count as having too many evil features thus making it illegal? I want an upper with mount rails like that so if I ever do move out of state I can trick it out however I want. I cant seem to find any complete upper like that or similar without a flash suppressor on the barrel. Unless I'm wrong and thats not a flash supressor. I'm also wondering if I have a barrel thats 16" long and have an A2 stock on the gun will that make it over the 30" legal limit for the length of the gun? thanks for your help.

Answer 1

Another great place to look for nice uppers is J&T Distributing in KY. I just bought a stainless match, fluted bull barrel from them with floating badger handguard... Looks like this:

http://jtdistributing.net/store/more_k_m...

If you're willing to cough up about $500, they can custom make some nice ones for you.

In any case, there are a TON of great, compliant AR uppers available. Just shop around! Good luck!

Answer 2

Under the asinine semi-auto ban laws of the People's Republik, you can forget a detachable mag from the beginning. ALL rifles are now limited to a FIXED (non-detachable) mag of ten rounds max capacity.

I also think (not absolutely sure) that muzzle devices must be permanently attached by welding or brazing. Also, folding or collapsible stocks must be permanently pinned in their fully opened or extended positions.

Tough luck, but it looks like you wasted the purchase price of your 'dream rifle' receiver, as most separate upper assemblies are also illegal under Kalifornia's rules.

Answer 3

Before you buy that from Riflegear shop around a little:

http://www.m-aparts.com/productsDetail.a...

http://www.m-aparts.com/productsDetail.a...

Sorry, I don't remember, do CA tele stocks have to be pinned?

Answer 4

It sounds like you've got everything pretty much figured out.  I can't open the link so I can't give you an opinion on the upper you're looking at; but in general, if it's sold as a muzzle brake instead of a flash-hider then it is a muzzle brake.  Technically (and this was right from the mouth of a DOJ agent) a flash-hider has a symmetrical arrangement of holes or slots and a muzzle brake has an asymmetrical arrangement.  He actually gave the example that making one of the slots from a standard AR-15 flash-hider larger technically converted it into a muzzle brake.  The one guy I know who has built several ARs simply bypasses the whole issue by not using a muzzle brake at all.  Wish I could tell you where he buys his, but he has his barrels custom built--though you can buy an upper without muzzle brake or flash-hider.  

One thing you might want to think about is a "bullet button" magazine release--technically it requires a tool (the bullet) to release the magazine and is California legal.  Rumor has it that a recent court ruling will state that simply using the tool to remove the magazine does not make it an illegal assault weapon--as some jurisdictions have been interpreting the law.  That would mean you technically have a fixed magazine and all the "evil features" you want. Check some of the forums regarding building CA legal ARs.  Good luck whatever you decide.

Answer 5

Grizzly II is right. Your ****** if you live in kalifornistan. h**l, ALL ammo will be illegal come 2010. And handguns will be impossible to buy with that microstamping joke. You didn't know that? Yes, ALL ammunition will be illegal in the socialist republik of kalifornistan by 2010. And buying ammo in another state will be illegal and all bullets with any lead in them is already illegal.

You know how much a ar with detachable mags go for in kalifornistan? $5,000. If I was a criminal I could buy parts, make a bunch and sell them on the black market in kali for d**n over 500%-600% profit each.

**** your "state". And I'm sorry for you because you live in there but I ******* hate your "state" and wish it would sink.

Answer 6

Dude, i hate to say, but as others have said your pretty much boned.  you can not legaly build a rifle with a detachable magazine there. it has to be a fixed, with no more then 10 rounds (like on an sks). your going to have a hard time finding an upper with out a lfash suppresor. the only good news i can pull out of your build is that you gun would be over 30 inches long. If you want to own a weapon you wont go to prison for consider buying http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programm...

or http://www.impactguns.com/store/sks.html

You could do that, but my best suggestion to you would be to move to Nevada, or Utah. it may sound bouring to live in utah, but i live in down town salt lake and it's really not that bad. and best of all you can take a 4 hour class to get yourself a concealed weapon permit that is valid in 34 states (excluding california of course). also there are absolutly no laws here against owning any type of weapon, you can buy a switch blade, machine gun, grenade launcher, whatever you want, so long as you comply with federal laws. we dont have any silly "waiting periods" you just get a backround check that takes maybe 5 minuete and you can leave a gunstore with weapon in hand (well, actually you beter put it away before you walk out of the store) oh yeah, and did i mention that it costs 500 dollars a month for a 1 bedroom in downtown salt lake?

Answer 7

I know you all hate the republic of california.  We own a gun shop here, and believe me, we hate the laws and think they are asinine too.  But pay heed.  People will follow in our footsteps and it will go to other states.  Not all californians think the way S.F. and L.A. do.  good luck with the AR.  There are legal ones out there.  Pain in the ***, yes.

Answer 8

Trying to find a CA legal AR is like trying to find a honest politician