Would you be able to breed performance horses or western horses from this stallion?

Question

I honestly don't see the dished faced that Arabian, that some see in him, he is cow hocked in the back legs but most western horses have that.

Answer 1

There's really nothing about him that's of stallion quality. Yes, he has unusual coloring, but if his colts don't have color and all the bad confirmation points you will just be breeding slaughter horses.

Answer 2

Unless you are showing at a breed show, you won't be disqualified from any competition because of your horses colouring. Horses of those colours could compete in anything from barrels or western pleasure, to eventing and show jumping. What is more important than colour is a horse's conformation. The way that he is built will be what affects which disciplines he will excel in. That stallion is too up in the neck for western pleasure, but his back, neck, and haunches don't look developed enough for him to really succeed in dressage. He looks like he may be very athletic over fences, but his very expressive gaits would keep him out of the ribbons. His conformation may give him some success in reining. In fact, that sort of colouring isn't uncommon in reining horses.

Answer 3

I show Paints at both the APHA breed level, and at the small open show level.

First of all, in the breed shows there is no such thing as a bad color. Many exhibitors prefer a minimal overo as they are easier to keep clean, but lots of people would love a horse colored like this whether they showed Western, English, or halter.  In the small open shows it won't hurt you either.  If you were showing in the big hunter circuit the unusual color probably will give you disadvantages as hunters are traditionally brown, bay, black or chestnut.  Even a more average type Paint will be slightly handicapped in most cases on the hunter circuit, although things are changing somewhat.

But in my opinion this is not a horse I would breed my mare to.  People have commented that he looks Araby, and to a degree I agree.  It isn't his head, its his hip and rump, look how they are shaped.  I think he is going to be weak in the hindend and not drive forward properly.  But more than that - his neck screams "I like to be carried high".  A Paint MUST naturally carry his head and neck out directly from their withers, whether they are showing Western or English.  This horse is MUCh too upheaded and will struggle to ever move in the balanced, level method needed for Paints.  You will raise a baby that most likely has the same problems.

$1250 is a pretty big amount of money.  Before I'd pay that I'd want to see a large show record on this horse, and lots of foals on the ground that were also successfully showing.  If you go to the Paint Horse Journal you'll see tons of champion Paints out there with breeding fees of $1000 or less.  Don't take this one with his unusual color unless he has the movement, mind and conformation to back it up.  And since I haven't seen him in person, I can't say he doesn't , I just know his photos aren't that flattering to ideal Paint conformation.

Answer 4

His stud fee is a rip off to start with.

His conformation is NOT stallion quality. His colour is nice but without good conformation is irrelevant. I would consider him a nice gelding. Without the colour you probably wouldn't pick him or his progeny out of a slaughter pen.

EDIT: These are quality coloured stallions

Jumping

http://www.equinemedia.co.uk/stallions_a...

Dressage

http://www.sambertino.com/sambertino_pro...

Western

http://www.desertpaints.com/referencesir...

It's very simple guys if you want to breed for colour breed to amazing stallions. Then if $hit hits the fan and you don't get a coloured baby people WILL still want it!

Answer 5

check his conformation

Answer 6

Wow! He is really stunning to see... but anyway forget the color its conformation. He looks pretty good.  

Answer 7

This stud is not my choice for sire material.  His neck is set on too high out of his withers.  His knees and hocks are to high off the ground for any "working" cow horse events.  Not enough gaskin on him.   Better off as a gelding.   His overall "quality" just isn't there.  Where's my box knife? Snip, snip

http://www.horsesonly.com/finder/qh/b/bu...

A stallion built to work cattle and bred to the hilt.

Modern, popular, bloodlines and great conformation are mandatory in the  choice of a stallion.  Successful breeders recognize this...They want to be able to move the resultant foals and not have to feed them forever.  Cuts into their profit margin.  It's a highly competitive buyer's market out there and the better the package, and the more popular the blood line will get these babies sold.  

Edit:  "Eventing"...you get great horses by breeding to bloodlines that get the job done...ask any WP person,  EP person, Working Cow Horse person, any other individual involved professionally in the horse game.....a baby by "Johnny Come Lately" doesn't measure up.

Take the best to the best and your chances of a great competitor just improved by 100 percent.   If you can't afford to do that, in the current market, then you should not be breeding horses...you're part of the problem.  

http://www.zipschocolatechip.com/zcc/ind...

AQHA World Champion WP stallion.  A $4,000 stud fee...you'll pay it if you want to compete and win in the WP world of AQHA.

http://www.crawfordstallionservices.com/...

"Matt Dillion Dun It"..His stud fee is $2,000; he has an outstanding win record with winnings of over $150,000.  This is a quality stud and yes I'd pay that stud fee in a heartbeat.  He's breathtaking.....have seen him close up and personal.

http://www.chocolua.com/

A reserve World Champion hunt seat stallion....elegant..a $1,200 stud fee.  A bargain; you'll get a hunt seater and a driver.

Answer 8

for western color doesnt matter.

idk about english.

but he is  STUNNING.

Answer 9

Don't breed for color.  It is conformation that is important.  However, his color is stunning!  

Answer 10

He would make a nice gelding, for me there is no sense to breed for color, it is to improve breed standard....conformation....speaking of that he is by far one of the ugliest APHA horses ive seen. Not typy he has a hammerhead, looks like an Arabian, hes little, his front legs he actually ties in below the knees....bad by the way, his neck....again looks like an Arabian. If hes a registered Paint I have some lake front property for sale in Arizona. If he is....How did that happen!

Answer 11

he's to die for.  wow!  look at his color!!  not so sure i'd breed this guy, color or no.  

i have to say, i wonder about the foundation qh part of the info.  i grew up on foundation qh's, and now am very much into arabs.  i see a lot of traits that *could* suggest that he's got some arab in there, somewhere.

Answer 12

It's not the bloodlines that make a great horse. It's a great horse that makes a great horse.

Answer 13

Color doesn't matter. His bloodlines, performance record, and conformation do. He's not a bad off horse, but I don't like his legs. He's camped out and from the first and last photo I can tell he's back at the knee. Lets be honest. Legs make the horse. If the horse has unsound or major conformational flaws on their legs, I wouldn't be keeping or even consider him as a stallion.

On the show circuit, color should not set him or his offspring apart from the competition.