Y do many pple say that fiq hanafiyya is wrong when abu haneefa was a tabi'?

Question

*You scream as much as you can about salafee this and salafee that. Have you ever read Shaykh Muqbils book on Aboo Haneefah? Whom did he quote from? The SALAF!* wen he respected the salafis y dont the 'present day so called salafis' respect him?

Answer 1

If I wasnt brought up a Jafari, I would have chosen beliefs most close to Hanafiya or Maliki...

I respect Imam Hanifa and Imam Malik most among Sunni scholars...

but I still chose to follow a mix (although most near to Shia) and I call myself just muslim nothing else...

Answer 2

who say Abu hunaifah is wrong ?

who told you that ?

a Salafi  means who follow all salafu al salih (which mean from all 4 schools and more before them)

who take from all scholars not one !

they follow the prophet only as one Person !

and all salaf followed the prophet

a salafi who take from Malik al shafii Ahmad ibin hanbal abu hunayfa and many others etc etc !

the problem of  some Muslims Mutasseb for one scholar for Example a Hanafi don't take nothing from other scholar like Malik ?

the same for others

this dividing is hurting Ummah !

we should all follow all the salaf  not one scholar don't be mutasseb for one scholar

and btw some so called Sunni hanafis are sufis who prtened so  the sufis of Idian and Pakistan say we are hanafis sufis of North Africa say we are Malikis while they both not yes they took few of fiqh of the scholars but they mixed it with suffism !

Be a Muslim who following the Quran +Sunnah  and all salafu alsalih

not ONE scholar only  not only for you there are also some tassub for one scholar among Muslims this is bad !

salafu alsalih means all first great generation  sahabas and tabeen

however i don't here anyone says that

I'm still normal muslim without knowledge and not very religious to say I'm salafi

wait brother Abul Haarith he is Muslims Salafi and he can answer you good

edit: sorry if i couldn't explain my point i fell like i talked rubbish

Answer 3

its not about Hanafiyya mathab being wrong.  As I am sure you know, it is not permissible to say one mathab is superior over another, nor is it permissible to say one is wrong and another is right.  The problem comes forth when people stick so strictly to their mathab and then confront and argue with people of another mathab and say what they are doing is haram or bid'a because its from another mathab.  I personally take from each mathab, though I probably affiliate myself most closely with Shaf'i.  But that does not mean that I disregard Hanifee or any any other.  

Answer 4

All scholars including Imam Abu hanifa said leave my Fatwa if u find a hadith against it,

So i follow Imam Hanifah more than Hanafi himself.

Answer 5

EDIT for space reasons:

I have to remove for space:

2) No one is without errors, and this includes the Sahaabah and the Taabi'een. Aboo Haneefah is not free from error even if he was from the Taabi'een. He was born in 80H during the time of the younger Sahaabah, and it's not affirmed that he met Ibn Mas'ood radhiallaahu anhu. He had met the students of Ibn Mas'ood radhiallaahu anhu such as 'Ikrimah and some of the other kibaar of the Taabi'oon such as 'Ataa bin Abee Rabbaah. Imaam adh-Dhahabee did not mention any of the Sahaabah having met him.

3) Aboo Haneefah did not author any book on Fiqh. There is no book which is affirmed to him except that it is said that al-Fiqh al-Akbar is his authorship.

Two points regarding this: a) Al-Fiqh al Akbar is not about Fiqh, it is about 'Aqeedah: hence "Fiqh al Akbar". And what is contained in it is in opposition to what the "hanafees" are upon today.

b) Even this ascription to him is not fully substantiated. Shaykh 'Alee Hasan al Halabee said in his footnotes to "Taareekh ahl Hadeeth":

((This book is actually ascribed to Aboo Mutee' al Balkhee and this is extremely weak. Our Shaykh al-Albaanee said in Mukhtasar al Uluww lil Aliyyil Adheen, p136, "... and the book al Fiqh al Akbar is not by Aboo Haneefah, contrary to what is famous amongst the Hanafiyyah"))

4) Differing with Aboo Haneefah means nothing, many of the Ulemaa of the past differed with him, and it's well known that Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee differed with Aboo Haneefah in many issues.

Shaykh Ahmad ad-Dahlawee mentions in his Taareekh Ahlul Hadeeth that Al-Ghazaalee reported in his al-Mankhool about Aboo Yusuf al-Qaadhee and Muhammad ash-Shaybaanee (the two greatest students of Abee Haneefah): ((They both differed with Aboo Haneefah in a third of his Madhhab))

And ad-Dahlawee said:

'Abdul-Qaadir mentioned in his at-Tahreer al Mukhtaar li Radd al Muhtaar (1/11): ((Every one of them had fundamentals in which he differed with Aboo Haneefah and opposed him in))

5) One of the major errors which Aboo Haneefah had was in an issue of 'Aqeedah.

He had held a position of the Murjiyyah before he repented from it and for this he was known as "Murjiyyat al fuqahaa" along with his teacher Hammaad bin Abee Sulaymaan.

. Ibn Taymiyyah said in Volume 7 of his Majmoo' al-Fataawa:

‏‏وأنكر حماد بن أبي سليمان ومن اتبعه تفاضل الإيمان ودخول الأعمال فيه والاستثناء فيه، وهؤلاء من مرجئة الفقهاء

((And Hammad bin Abee Sulaymaan and those who followed him denounced the differing in Eemaan and entering actions into it and exempted it. And they are from the Murjiyyat al Fuqahaa))

And he also said:

وهؤلاء المعروفون ـ مثل حماد بن أبي سليمان وأبي حنيفة وغيرهما من فقهاء الكوفة ـ كانوا يجعلون قول اللسان، واعتقاد القلب من الإيمان، وهو قول أبي محمد بن كلاب وأمثاله

((And those are the well known ones - Such as Hammaad bin Abee Sulaymaan and Abee Haneefah and other than them from the Fuqahaa of Koofaa- they used to make it the statement of the tongue and the believer in the heart from Eemaan, and this is the statement of Abee Muhammad bin Kullaah and those like him))

So no doubt this is an error in 'Aqeedah as the position of Ahlus Sunnah is that Eemaan is Speech on the tongue and in the heart and actions upon the limbs as Ibn Abee Haatim mentioned Ijmaa' of this in his Asl as Sunnah wa I'tiqaad ad Deen.

But what is correct is that Aboo Haneefah left this position.

6) Some of the Ulemaa of the Salaf had criticized Aboo Haneefah, does this mean they say he's completely wrong? No! Never.

Ibn al-Mubaarak said: كان أبو حنيفة مسكيناً في الحديث

((Aboo Haneefah was Miskeen in Hadeeth))

Aboo Hafs al Waa'ith said: وأبو يوسف أوثق من أبي حنيفة في الحديث

((And Aboo Yusuf is more reliable in Hadeeth than Abee Haneefah))

Sufyaan ath-Thawree said: ليس بثقة ((He is not reliable)) (in hadeeth)

Yahya ibn Ma'een said: لا يكتب حديثه وهو أجل من أن يكذب ((Do not write his Hadeeth and he is better than that to lie))

Imaam an-Nasaa'ee (author of the Sunan) said: ليس بالقوي في الحديث وهو كثير الغلط والخطأ على قلة روايته ((He is not strong in Hadeeth and he has many errors and mistakes because of his little narrating))

However some of the Scholars of Hadeeth considered him reliable in narrations.

Shaykh Muqbil wrote a book on Aboo Haneefah explaining the statements of the Salaf on him and he also said:

صحيح أبو حنيفة جمهور المحدثين على ضعفه راجع كتاب السنة لعبد الله بن أحمد

((What is correct about Aboo Haneefah is that the majority of the scholars of Hadeeth are upon his weakness, return to as-Sunnah of Abdullaah bin Ahmad (bin Hanbal)))

But this does NOT reduce Imaam Aboo Haneefah in his rank amongst the Fuqahaa. It's just sad that most of the people who ascribe to him do not even follow him! They abandon his Aqeedah and Fiqh.

EDIT:

As for the ignorant soofee below my answer:

I've read that nonsense on Soofee path website.

Are you ignoring what Ibn al Mubaarak, the Shaykh of al Bukhaaree said? Or what ash-Shaatibee described about Aboo Haneefah? Or what Ibn Abee Haatim, the 'Aalim of Jarh wa Ta'deel said? What's wrong with you? Why do you just blindly copy paste from the net? Why dont you do your own research for once? This is what's wrong with your Soofee kids on the net. You just rely on liars like those on Soofee path. People who call to Istighaatha bi awliyaa! Isti'aana from the awliyaa! That's your source of knowledge?

You people are patheticly holding on to broken ledges. You scream as much as you can about salafee this and salafee that. Have you ever read Shaykh Muqbils book on Aboo Haneefah? Whom did he quote from? The SALAF! And here's another issue, ALL of what's on your soofee sites, I have a few thousand pages of refutations of it. So dont think it's not been addressed before.

By the way: GF Haddad is a LIAR. Why dont you LOOK UP his references, I've done so many times only to find VILE LIES! Words not even found in the sentences he quotes.

He quotes Zaahid al Kawtharee, the one who attacked al Bukhaaree and other than him! One who spoke filthy disgusting words against the Kibaar of the Muhaditheen of the past! And you're talking about those who speak about Aboo Haneefah like Ibn Ma'een and ath-Thawree?

It's no wonder... filth attracts nothing but the filthy. This is why your people held firm to Kawtharee and Abu Ghudda. Both who mocked Ahlus Sunnah and spat at some of the Kibaar such as al Bukhaaree. And what can one say about that liar Kabbaani. The one who claimed that the Prophet salallaahu aalihi wa salam CALLED HIM ON THE PHONE and told him to be a soofee (This is in recording and was also broadcast on al-Jazeerah). I've looked up many of his "references" only to see him paragraph slicing. Our brother Abu Khalyl exposed him on that.

How evil your sources are. Open EVERY one of their references and read the entirety of the pages. Then come back and discuss this with me. And don't expect me to expose their lies for you. Replying to this question already took time which I didn't expect to spend so I'm not going out of my way opening books for little kids on the net who know nothing but copy/paste without any Fahm.

By the way, look up what Ibn 'Aqeel said about the Mutassawwifah, you just proved his statements correct. If you dont know where to look then start in Ibn Muflih's Aadab ash-Sharee'ah.

EDIT 3 (a muslim)

- I am not saying that you learn Islaam from the net, I was referring to the Soofee who posted the links to GF Haddad and Hishaam Kabbaani, I apologize if you understood that to refer to you.

- And my point is that the Aa'imah had mistakes with them, and you are correct it doesn't mean they are totally wrong. And no Salafee has ever say they were totally wrong. Many of the Salafee Ulemaa have praised Aboo Haneefah, but the reality is that those people who ascribe to him today do not follow him. They follow the later students.

- The reason I mentioned ash-Shaafi'ee is (Have to remove for space reasons)

- As for the issue of Eemaan, as I said... Aboo Haneefah was known to hold this position. This is why the Ulemaa used to refer to him as "Murjiyatul Fuqahaa". I recall that he did not die upon that position, but he spoke with Irjaa and this was well known amongst the scholars of his time.

Abdullah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal mentioned in his as-Sunnah (1/no. 233) that Ibraaheem as-Samarqandee said:

قال رجل لابن المبارك ونحن عنده ان أبا حنيفة كان مرجئا يرى السيف فلم ينكر عليه ذلك ابن المبارك

((A man said to Ibn al-Mubaarak and we were with him that Abaa Haneefah is a Murjee and he sees the permissibility of raising the sword, and Ibn al Mubaarak did not denounce that (statement)))

So this was known as an error of Aboo Haneefah, but it does not mean he is completely wrong.

Im out of space, but the people who spoke about Aboo Haneefah are the Kibaar in the Science of Hadeeth, so yes they spoke the TRUTH. If you denounce them, then from who to you take Hadeeth from?

Answer 6

From my studies all I can say is in regards to the Salaah it is somewhat different  how woman should pray in relation to the Sunnah,  I read that he said if it contradicts Quran and Sunnah disregard it as indeed he was Human and he may make faults too. One should not blind follow rather re- check if it matches up to Quran and Sunnah.

May Allah (swt) reward him for his efforts! (ameen)

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Answer 7

as-salaam alaikum

SubhanAllah look at these people- making themselves equal with Abu Hanifa - "sheikh" Muqbil criticising the Father of Ahl Us Sunna Imam al-Azam Imam Abu Hanifa???

dwarfs atacking giants

try criticising one of the pigmy Sheikhs they blindly follow like Bin Baz, Muqbil, Ibn thaymeen, Abdul Wahab and Ibn taymiyyah and see how they react!!!

Please see these links refuting the lie that Imam al-Azam was weak in hadith

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?H...

http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/hanifa.htm...

http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/abu...

As regards the statements of the Imams of the maddhabs "if you see a sahih hadith -these were addressed to fellow MUJTAHID Imams and not the ignoramouses of today

"Like every Friend of Allah, Abu Hanifa had his enemies. `Abdan said that he heard Ibn al-Mubarak say: "If you hear them mention Abu Hanifa derogatively then they are mentioning me derogatively. In truth I fear for them Allah’s displeasure." Authentically related from Bishr al-Hafi is the statement: "No-one criticizes Abu Hanifa except an envier or an ignoramus." Hamid ibn Adam al-Marwazi said: I heard Ibn al-Mubarak say: "I never saw anyone more fearful of Allah than Abu Hanifa, even on trial under the whip and through money and property." Abu Mu`awiya al-Darir said: "Love of Abu Hanifa is part of the Sunna.""

Biography

http://www.sunnah.org/publication/khulaf...

As you said he met sahaba and SAW them pray- How many Sahabi did Nasir ud din Albani meet?

Answer 8

True Salafis don't blame those great Mujathahids and Imams. What they are opposed to is the addition and substation in Mazhab which has no basis in the Holy Quran and the Sunnah.  

But there are few who say ill of the Salaf Saliheen because of their ignorance and the simple way of not understanding the difference of Mazhab in Fiqh. They think Mazhab as a division. One would wonder why Imam Bukhari, Imam Nawawi , Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn Qayyim al Jauwzi or even Abdul Wahhab (May Allah have mercy on them all) and many greater scholars were clung to the opinions of one of the Mazhab Imams. After all Mazhab shouldn't be a matter of division. If we don't agree with the opinion of a scholar, choose the one you know is the most authentic. But let's not weigh them on our scale to find their faults alone  as to reject them.